DDR vs. Czech, how to tell? - Page 1

About 7 years ago I signed up on a couple of GSD forums, not even having a GSD, not knowing anything about different lines, or sables or bicolors.  Over the years, just from reading posts and looking at pedigrees, I can spot the different lines, recognize kennel names and famous dogs, sorta tell the difference between sport breedings and higher-threshhold police/military breedings (or just more balanced active pet home dogs). I also do IPO, so have seen dogs from different backgrounds and have that experience to round out my knowledge.

One thing that still stumps me is identifying DDR dogs and kennels. I can tell Czech dogs from some of the kennel names, the ZVV titles, the spelling of some words, but I don't know where the difference or the split is between Czech and DDR.  What are some of the kennel names to look for?  

For example the Pohranicni Straze and Policia, and Aritar Bastet, to name a few better known kennel names, I know are Czech,  but wouldn't know what lines/kennel names would be considered DDR - or is there even a separation?  

Some big german names I know are DDR are Grafental/Ludwigseck, Parchimer Land, Felsenschloss, Gleisderieck, VD Moschel, Haus Iris, Laager Wall, and there are more. Lots more. In American I know of VD Haus Gill and Spartanville.
 

Guppyfry, that´s not that easy.
You are able to recognize kennels and where they are located, BUT...
Czech, DDR, and German kennels used the same dogs till around 1960.
They narrowed during the eighties when Czech and DDR were allowed to import or breed to West German dogs.
Today it´s very difficult to find " pure " Czech or DDR blood any more, and " pure " only means bred after 1960, not earlier.

susie - yes! I didn't think it was that simple, that is why I'm still so confused!  Even when I look as Czech dog pedigrees, there are often West German dogs a number of generations back.  

Is it fair to say that that in general the kennel names that Harrissongsd posted above are considered DDR?  
 

Guppy, a good breeder normally tries to get the best stud for his female, and doesn´t care WHERE this stud was born.
The " best " might be the best in working, in standard, in bloodline...
You shouldn´t care where the dogs in the peds originally came from, only the result is important.

Guppfry,

I would contact some breeders that breed the DDR lines as well as some that breed the Czech lines and talk to them. That will give you some very good insight. Like mentioned above, it is hard to find "pure" lines nowadays. But they are out there. I know a few people that breed DDR lines as well as some people that breed Czech lines. 
One thing I have noticed is that the SZ number for the DDR dogs will start off with 900. 

Jyl the SZ numbers statement is false.  Look at my boy( http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=1958969-figo-vom-jager-arbeiten-zwinger } he is almost all DDR with some BDR dogs Like Uran. His sire is 100% DDR. I beileve from lines 11E and some 13A. none of those dogs have a 900 number. And GUP those are all DDR line kennels but, apparently Gleisdreick kennels breeds mixed blood as well.

Guppy, a good breeder normally tries to get the best stud for his female, and doesn´t care WHERE this stud was born.
The " best " might be the best in working, in standard, in bloodline...
You shouldn´t care where the dogs in the peds originally came from, only the result is important.

Don't get me wrong - I understand this, and don't care myself if the dog is West East South or from Narnia, The breeder of my dog did just that - bred to the best dog that complimented her bitch and didn't breed to "lines", but to the dog in front of her. 

   I'm just trying to broaden my knowledge and improve my ability to read pedigrees (as limited as it is) - just because I'm curious and interested.