Prices for dogs - Page 1

Now being in business obviously you have to look at your bottom line- expense vs profit.

However those of us whom want a descent working dog to help us out- why should we pay thousands of dollars for a puppy? I mean most ask from 1500 -3000+ for a pup from descent lines.

where is the cost to the owner????
health testing. ok. 1 time deal for prospective breeding dogs.
titling- well hours of training to test dog.
care for animal.


1500 +  for pup.  when a brood bitch has how many litters with how many pups/ stud sires how manny pups

wow.

I mean I made less than 2k a month when i was deployed in afgan. so how is this representative of a true working dog for people that use dogs for work to make there life easier?

I mean I just saw on a sight to sell an unproven stud for 15k( no names but i know he is on this board). i feel this is just to profit the persons purse.

so why are GSD pups from descent lines and not so descent lines this pricey when a person can get good malis and dutchies for far less. I mean im a gsd guy but for my purposes i can find a mali or dutchie for half the price to do the same job. so can someone give me a real business reason why gsd pups from good lineage are so damn expensive?????


and if they continue to be expensive to the point the common man that uses his dogs for a real purpose cant afford them- what purpose will the breed serve?? just government????   what common man that uses his dogs for a real job benefits from spending these prices on these dogs?????


There are several people on this board and others that have stated they come up in need and provide dogs for those in need and that was the reason they got into GSDs. Well how does pups and dogs this expensive help the working man that uses these dogs to make his life easier? How does a herder throw thousands of dollars out  when his herds arent worth that much. how does a farmer throw this much money out when his liabilities/costs outweigh the losses. How does a home owner pay this when their insurance outweighs the costs? This argument can go on and on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
 

Maybe because a breeder see's no reason why they should take all the risk, training and husbandry time, investment in good breeding stock, good kennelling facilities and food/veterinary costs without getting something back for it, just to do a perfect stranger a favour?

Margaret N-J

1 brood bitch- 3 litters- say 8 pups a litter----- 2000 a pup. equals 24000$      how much of that was spent to produce a pup?  please read pervios post.


1 prominant stud----- cover fees---- pic pup or 1k+ per litter    etcccc????





i mean what purpose does a working dog have for a man that wants a working dog anymore??????????????? the working man cant afford one as the cost far out weighs the benefit!!!!!!!!!



personally  I use my dogs for assorted tasks..... i have one for sar with an independent company--- i have another for hunting over and tracking game- have another for ppd and hunting over(back up). I can go on and on but my dogs work in real life. now we do sport for fun and a test as well as making sure my dogs are steady for what they were trained to do.

But someone tell me why thousands of dollars should be spend on a pup?   when it seems there is so much overhead in profit as well as a risk to the buyer!!!!!!.  


as well as the benefit to the buyer is minimal vs the cost.....

I have sold ogs to police agencies- 4k-5k for dual purpose. 
pup 800$---  2yrs food 1148$---- hrs 3120$   10$ hr(6-- 30 min session a week 2 yrs)  ...... vet costs hmmm. most of us whom have experience negate vet costs as we know how to give shots, we know what vaccines to give, we know how to give first aid care... we rarely need a vet.

hmmmm..........





 

Off the top of my head costings.

Block of 15 Bromet Kennels = £20,000.  Materials and labour to construct toundation with drainage system to erect them on = £30,000.  If the kennels are expected to be serviceable for , say, 15 years, that is around £3,500 per annum.
Cleaning and general maintenance labour (just because it is MY labour doesn't mean I should do it for nothing) at minimum wage, say 3 hours a day = £8,736 per annum.  Total over £12.000 per annum.

Lets get onto the dogs themselves.  A dog already health tested and ready to breed is going to cost around £3000 or more if already has some meaningful titles.  Suppose we take 8 dogs as breeding stock, a couple of males and six females, that leaves room for pups to run on and retired ones, the investment will be around £24,000.  Given a breeding life of 6 years, that is £4,000 per annum.

To make this investment break even, the dogs need to earn £16,000 per annum.

So if you breed all six and they have, say, 6 puppies each at £2,000 that is £72,000 per annum, less £16,000 so annual income is £56,000 before day to day expenses.

I'm too lazy to work out figures for the annual keep of the dogs, food, vet bills, purchase and mainteneance of a vehicle to transport them and cost of time spent caring for them and training them, rearing the puppies, equipment, cleaning stuff, admininstration costs, time spent with clients who may or may not buy a pup etc, maybe someone else would like to give that a go, but by the time you add it up, I doubt you will see a huge profit from that £56k .  Also this is assuming all goes well and the breeding stock remain healthy and fertile and the pups don't get sick or die and you can sell them quickly.

Margaret N-J

 

Having said all that, I personally charge £800 for a pup and I'm sure wherever you live, you can get a good pup for a comparable price if you look around and are prepared to travel.

I just wanted to point out that a breeder has more expenditure than a stud fee and a bit of dog food when breeding consistently good pups.


Margaret N-J

kaffirdog----

you sound like someone that wants to get paid as you simply did not answer a simple question i asked. 

not saying this is the case. and do not mean this an an insult!!!!!!!!!!!!! so do not take it that way- and i do not mean insult!!!!! you simply said pay me i deserve it without answering why. So I only wish an real explaination. every dog owner takes on the responsibilities you listed. none of which profit from them. and none- of which cost those prices to make a profit based of what i said above.


I would just like a business model for someone to accurately show me a pup is worth so much money.


i mean to be generous-------

some of these guys make bank of BS salesmanship and pretend to live offf crumbs------





I just want a well rounded dog without spending thousands of dollars for a pup.


 

I apolgize kariffdog i was typing while you responded------- that is my fault without reading your full responses. i apologize

I'm not insulted, I just don't understand why a puppy purchaser would expect me to work for them for nothing.  I have my dogs because I like them and they enrich my life, I earn my living doing something else and can afford to keep my dogs whether I breed from them or not.  If the time I devote to my dogs was spent working for someone else, even at minimum wage, I would earn more than I do from breeding without any of the risk and investment, I expect most breeders are in the same position and work for the love of their dogs rather than the financial gain, but that is not the same as working for the love of their puppy buyers, most of whom they don't know from Adam until they enquire about a puppy and owe them nothing.  Of course I deserve to get paid, do you not expect to get paid when you go to work?

Margaret N-J

No need to apologise, if you don't ask the questions, you can't find the answers.

Margaret N-J

I apologized as i made a bad statement based off  your first statement not your entire post. which i dont disagree with.this is why i apolgized.


I am just posting this on kind of a rant. and wanting dollar sign statements/ biz plan.




A dog is meant to make our life easier or more comfortable right?????



Then why do we have to work for a years to get a pup we want to bring up????


Dont get this wrong i can make a phone call and find a breeding i like and get a pup i like for a substantial discount and or free. but the common man  cant do this. even if he has backing. the only reason trainers can is its free advertisment.