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by texaspeg49 on 28 July 2013 - 05:07
I have a GSD "Bear" just turned 3. I've had him to 2 different vets about one of his eyes since about March. His eye started being red like he had stuck something in it but didn't get better. I tried several diff eye drops but not any big help. I had a biopsy and stain tests on this eye. No cancer and could not identify any infection. Now they both have given up and advised me to carry him to Dallas to an eye specialist. I did some looking on the internet and it sounds like Cherry Eye but wouldn't my vet (s) know that? If anyone has any advice about this please help. Also, he just developed ear mites tonight and is having fits with them. Anything you'd suggest until I can get to a vet? I'm using drops from my vet but he acts like nothing is helping. Thanks in advance for any help. One last thing, anybody heard from Yellow Rose ( Jan ) lately. Last I heard from her she was traveling???
by Blitzen on 28 July 2013 - 08:07
The vets may not have diagnosed the cherry eye because it is typically seen in toy breeds and puppies. It's not common in GSD's or mature dogs. Surgery to remove the prolapsed gland is not complicated and the cases I've seen have been successful.
Yellow Rose posts here now and then. You should be able to contact her via a PM.
As far as the ears mites go, you will need a vet to clean the ears and look at the debris under a microscope to diagnose mites. Debris left by ears mites is typically black and crusty. Sometimes it builds up so thick that it can actually plug the ear canal and the animal needs to be sedated and the plug removed. If that's what he does have, you will need ear drops containing an insecticide to kill them. Dogs don't generally get ears mites, they are more common in cats. In the meantime you can go to a pet store and buy a ear cleaner.
Yellow Rose posts here now and then. You should be able to contact her via a PM.
As far as the ears mites go, you will need a vet to clean the ears and look at the debris under a microscope to diagnose mites. Debris left by ears mites is typically black and crusty. Sometimes it builds up so thick that it can actually plug the ear canal and the animal needs to be sedated and the plug removed. If that's what he does have, you will need ear drops containing an insecticide to kill them. Dogs don't generally get ears mites, they are more common in cats. In the meantime you can go to a pet store and buy a ear cleaner.
by dragonfry on 28 July 2013 - 09:07
I've never seen cherry eye in a shepherd, usually it's a bulldog (English French or Pug) problem. And yes a lot of toy breeds get it.
And if you have Ivermectin that will kill off any mites. Ear mites usually lease gunk behind that looks like coffee grounds. Thick crumbly and dark brown/black. If the ear smells like the inside of a garbage dumpster it's usually bacteria, and fungus smells musty.
Regardless having the ears well cleaned will help. If you have ear flush take him out side, Fill the ear with flush, squish it around at the base of the ear with your hand and let him shake. Lots of time the junk will fly out. And usually land on you. :p
Just don't tick anything down his ear, as you may push the problem into the ear drum. Or get your vet to clean his ears.
Fry
And if you have Ivermectin that will kill off any mites. Ear mites usually lease gunk behind that looks like coffee grounds. Thick crumbly and dark brown/black. If the ear smells like the inside of a garbage dumpster it's usually bacteria, and fungus smells musty.
Regardless having the ears well cleaned will help. If you have ear flush take him out side, Fill the ear with flush, squish it around at the base of the ear with your hand and let him shake. Lots of time the junk will fly out. And usually land on you. :p
Just don't tick anything down his ear, as you may push the problem into the ear drum. Or get your vet to clean his ears.
Fry
by Hundmutter on 28 July 2013 - 09:07
Cherry Eye is usually easy to spot from the swollen (red) Harderian Gland
in the corner of the eye. In the absence of a fuller description, could you
consider whether your dog's condition is actually Pannus, (a keratinitis) and
something far more likely in a GS. ? ( In which case, eyedrops probably would
not make any difference.) If you can't find this on Google, come back here and
I will in the meantime look it up for you.
I am also a bit disturbed by your other comments about the ear mites :
these do not usually spring up overnight; and I do hope you do not mean
"fits over them" being epileptic seizures, but just twitching 'n' scratching,
yeah, lol ?
As the other two have said, the thing with not getting ear problems is to
keep them clean.
YR's most recent post was a few days ago*, she doesn't get to post on here
so often these days but still manages to drop in from time to time - suggest
maybe you send her a PM through PDB to say 'Hello' [or start a fresh thred
with something like "Looking for Yellow Rose" as it's topic title.
amended to add:
* Correction: "14 hrs ago" according to the Latest Posts list on here.
in the corner of the eye. In the absence of a fuller description, could you
consider whether your dog's condition is actually Pannus, (a keratinitis) and
something far more likely in a GS. ? ( In which case, eyedrops probably would
not make any difference.) If you can't find this on Google, come back here and
I will in the meantime look it up for you.
I am also a bit disturbed by your other comments about the ear mites :
these do not usually spring up overnight; and I do hope you do not mean
"fits over them" being epileptic seizures, but just twitching 'n' scratching,
yeah, lol ?
As the other two have said, the thing with not getting ear problems is to
keep them clean.
YR's most recent post was a few days ago*, she doesn't get to post on here
so often these days but still manages to drop in from time to time - suggest
maybe you send her a PM through PDB to say 'Hello' [or start a fresh thred
with something like "Looking for Yellow Rose" as it's topic title.
amended to add:
* Correction: "14 hrs ago" according to the Latest Posts list on here.
by texaspeg49 on 28 July 2013 - 20:07
Yes, I was saying "having fits over them" figuratively. He is doing some better today. I'm using Eradimite my vet gave me.
I don't think it is pannus because I've read about it, it isn't the third eyelid that's affected, am I right? He does have allergies, in fact I am taking him to get a shot tomorrow because of excessive itching.
Thank you all for your input, that's what I need. I will keep you posted. I'll do what I need to do.
by hexe on 29 July 2013 - 01:07
FIrst off, if you can get a photo of the affected eye and post it here, it should be very easy to tell if the dog has developed 'cherry eye' or not.
Next, the ear issue. If this dog has ear mites, so does any other dog or cat that lives on the same property, so you will need to treat them all, not just this dog. If the dog has allergies, and yeasty overgrowth of the ears is one of the effects, however, then you will need to minister to the ears for the rest of the dog's life, if you're not able to eliminate all exposure to the allergens that trigger the response.
Next, the ear issue. If this dog has ear mites, so does any other dog or cat that lives on the same property, so you will need to treat them all, not just this dog. If the dog has allergies, and yeasty overgrowth of the ears is one of the effects, however, then you will need to minister to the ears for the rest of the dog's life, if you're not able to eliminate all exposure to the allergens that trigger the response.
by yellowrose of Texas on 31 July 2013 - 02:07
Hello Peggy:
Yes, I am traveling and in Lake Charles,,,Son got his leg removed finally and has a prosthetic and has finished his Rehab for learning to walk with it
He is at the house, keeping all the kids straight for me He is still with DARS until his body is reTRAINED and he has counseling for trauma of Industrial crushing him yrs ago and after that he will be ready to find new life in some field for his traits of electronics for those disabled , His heart stint is good but weakened him so his life is now different,
Will send you an email ,,,,
I am not on my computer,,do not have one,,,now and no not married as of yet....
Will explain in email,
Can only go to library back home to communicate...
I do not think it is Cherry Eye,,,that is a problem with bulging eyes like a cocker spaniel etc..
Post a pic if you can.
Do you have cats in house or birds in house or in cages on back porch>?
I may not get to email you for days,,,,,I do not post much or read pms here,,,
Heith is at home number you had at one time,..you can call him around 3 in afternoons...leave ur number so he can return you a text as his phone is not good as we have no reception in the country
Thanks HM for noticing and replying to PEG
YR
Yes, I am traveling and in Lake Charles,,,Son got his leg removed finally and has a prosthetic and has finished his Rehab for learning to walk with it
He is at the house, keeping all the kids straight for me He is still with DARS until his body is reTRAINED and he has counseling for trauma of Industrial crushing him yrs ago and after that he will be ready to find new life in some field for his traits of electronics for those disabled , His heart stint is good but weakened him so his life is now different,
Will send you an email ,,,,
I am not on my computer,,do not have one,,,now and no not married as of yet....
Will explain in email,
Can only go to library back home to communicate...
I do not think it is Cherry Eye,,,that is a problem with bulging eyes like a cocker spaniel etc..
Post a pic if you can.
Do you have cats in house or birds in house or in cages on back porch>?
I may not get to email you for days,,,,,I do not post much or read pms here,,,
Heith is at home number you had at one time,..you can call him around 3 in afternoons...leave ur number so he can return you a text as his phone is not good as we have no reception in the country
Thanks HM for noticing and replying to PEG
YR
by Hundmutter on 01 August 2013 - 02:08
Sorry Peggy it was not clear from your first post that the
'3rd eyelid' was involved. If it is, then it sounds like it isn't
necessarily either Cherry Eye or Pannus. Found you this,
from "Veterinary Notes for Dog Owners " by Trevor Turner
a much-respected vet here in the UK :
[The third eyelid] can be involved in any conjunctivitis,
but damage, distortion and tumour formation can also
occur. Damage is usually sustained as the result of an
encounter with a cat, the surface of the third eyelid being
clawed at as it covers the cornea. Surgical repair may
be necessary, and antibiotics will be used to prevent
infection.
The distortions which are seen are: prominence, kinking,
and prolapse of the tear-producing (lachrimal) gland.
Prominence of the third eyelid may indicate the presence
of another disease problem, but kinking and the gland
prolapse, sometimes called 'cherry eye', both require
surgical attention.
(my emphasis)
'3rd eyelid' was involved. If it is, then it sounds like it isn't
necessarily either Cherry Eye or Pannus. Found you this,
from "Veterinary Notes for Dog Owners " by Trevor Turner
a much-respected vet here in the UK :
[The third eyelid] can be involved in any conjunctivitis,
but damage, distortion and tumour formation can also
occur. Damage is usually sustained as the result of an
encounter with a cat, the surface of the third eyelid being
clawed at as it covers the cornea. Surgical repair may
be necessary, and antibiotics will be used to prevent
infection.
The distortions which are seen are: prominence, kinking,
and prolapse of the tear-producing (lachrimal) gland.
Prominence of the third eyelid may indicate the presence
of another disease problem, but kinking and the gland
prolapse, sometimes called 'cherry eye', both require
surgical attention.
(my emphasis)
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