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by WrkLnGSD on 12 July 2013 - 22:07
Yes I know this is a really crappy picture... but it was the best shot I could take with my phone. I don't know how to upload a good image of the x-ray.
My vet is an idiot and says he shows "early stages" of HD, but says it would be Pano. WTF! Well does my pup have HD or not? Going to another vet next week and getting a second opinion... but in the meantime... what do you guys think?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EZPA9KPyiCY
This is a video of how he runs... and the way you see it here, is the way he runs at all speeds. Normal? Or cause for concern.
He is currently about 54lbs 25" tall and going to be 5mo old this coming Sunday.
Feeding Blue Buffalo Wilderness LBP
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Switch to Adult Formula??
My vet is an idiot and says he shows "early stages" of HD, but says it would be Pano. WTF! Well does my pup have HD or not? Going to another vet next week and getting a second opinion... but in the meantime... what do you guys think?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EZPA9KPyiCY
This is a video of how he runs... and the way you see it here, is the way he runs at all speeds. Normal? Or cause for concern.
He is currently about 54lbs 25" tall and going to be 5mo old this coming Sunday.
Feeding Blue Buffalo Wilderness LBP
Switch to Adult Formula??
by karm on 12 July 2013 - 22:07
I think his hips look pretty good from what I can see. At 5 months I doubt he would show actual hip dysplasia as the bones haven't had enough time to wear. I've got a couple dogs with way worse hips at one year (out of OFA excellent stock) and show no signs of HD. I would ditch any vet that confuses HD with Pano.
by Hundmutter on 13 July 2013 - 12:07
1 - The way a puppy runs is not an indication of the state of its hips
(at least up until a dog is so crippled by having full blown HD that it
CAN'T run), 'bunny-hopping' or not.
2 - He looks good and strong to me, some pups - even adults - 'bunny-
hop' more than others. That play running isn't the distance-eating 'gait'
or trot that the Standard talks about, it's messing about in the confines
of your yard with your other dogs. If you set him off running over a long
distance in a straight line (say you take him out on a bike to prepare
for an AD) and he STILL bunny hops all the time,THEN you start worrying
about structure v. movement. [ &: Still not down to Hip Dysplasia.]
3 - I am no expert at reading Xrays, although I've seen many; but I would
say that particular plate shows a good pair of hips.
4 - Would agree with Karm's post that says a vet who can confuse HD
and Pano isn't much good to you. In Panosteitis, you are looking for
some faint marks on the long bones. Impossible to tell about femurs
here because of quality of pic. But some dogs have Pano and their X rays
show nothing, anyway. Totally different condition, & set of symptoms.
Have had a dog or two with Pano, never caused bunny-hopping as far as
I'm aware ( a LIMP, yes !).
5 - Guess at 5 months he is just about old enough to switch to adult kibble;
there will be mixed opinions on this LOL ... personally I would not particularly
rush to make the change at this point, I don't think it affects HD outcomes.
JMHO. Hope all this info is of help. Linda Swift.
(at least up until a dog is so crippled by having full blown HD that it
CAN'T run), 'bunny-hopping' or not.
2 - He looks good and strong to me, some pups - even adults - 'bunny-
hop' more than others. That play running isn't the distance-eating 'gait'
or trot that the Standard talks about, it's messing about in the confines
of your yard with your other dogs. If you set him off running over a long
distance in a straight line (say you take him out on a bike to prepare
for an AD) and he STILL bunny hops all the time,THEN you start worrying
about structure v. movement. [ &: Still not down to Hip Dysplasia.]
3 - I am no expert at reading Xrays, although I've seen many; but I would
say that particular plate shows a good pair of hips.
4 - Would agree with Karm's post that says a vet who can confuse HD
and Pano isn't much good to you. In Panosteitis, you are looking for
some faint marks on the long bones. Impossible to tell about femurs
here because of quality of pic. But some dogs have Pano and their X rays
show nothing, anyway. Totally different condition, & set of symptoms.
Have had a dog or two with Pano, never caused bunny-hopping as far as
I'm aware ( a LIMP, yes !).
5 - Guess at 5 months he is just about old enough to switch to adult kibble;
there will be mixed opinions on this LOL ... personally I would not particularly
rush to make the change at this point, I don't think it affects HD outcomes.
JMHO. Hope all this info is of help. Linda Swift.
by Jenni78 on 13 July 2013 - 12:07
IS he limping? Why was he xrayed? Hips look fine. He runs like a puppy.
I wouldn't feed a food that rich to a little pup, personally, especially if pano is a concern.
I'd go more along the lines of Fromm LBP, Innova LBP, Horizon Pulsar ALS (if you insist on grain free), etc. Wait to do the super rich grain-frees until the pup is over a year, imo.
I wouldn't feed a food that rich to a little pup, personally, especially if pano is a concern.
I'd go more along the lines of Fromm LBP, Innova LBP, Horizon Pulsar ALS (if you insist on grain free), etc. Wait to do the super rich grain-frees until the pup is over a year, imo.
by clc29 on 13 July 2013 - 14:07
His movement looks normal to me.....nice weight...healthy coat......happy
He looks to be at a leggy stage in growth which could be part of the reason he's ouchy.......he's going through growing pains (laymen's term)....from a growth spurt.
I'm with the other posters here....the positioning in these x rays is really crappy.....I would definitely get a second opinion.
Pano and HD are not even remotely related.
Are you sure the vet wasn't trying to tell you that he saw something in the xrays that indicates early signs of HD but that his lameness could be due to pano at this time?
It seems very odd that a vet would not know the difference between two of the most common lameness diseases found in dogs.
He looks to be at a leggy stage in growth which could be part of the reason he's ouchy.......he's going through growing pains (laymen's term)....from a growth spurt.
I'm with the other posters here....the positioning in these x rays is really crappy.....I would definitely get a second opinion.
Pano and HD are not even remotely related.
Are you sure the vet wasn't trying to tell you that he saw something in the xrays that indicates early signs of HD but that his lameness could be due to pano at this time?
It seems very odd that a vet would not know the difference between two of the most common lameness diseases found in dogs.
by Sunsilver on 13 July 2013 - 14:07
That right hip (left side of x-ray) is partially out of the hip socket. It MAY tighten up as he gets older, and the bones reach their full size. Most puppies have looseness to their joints as they are still growing and the bones still forming.
And yeah, the positioning sucks...
I'd find another vet based on the positioning of the x-ray alone. If your vet doesn't know how to do a proper hip x-ray, you need to find a new one.
And if he REALLY didn't know the difference between pano and HD....RUN FOR THE HILLS!
And yeah, the positioning sucks...
I'd find another vet based on the positioning of the x-ray alone. If your vet doesn't know how to do a proper hip x-ray, you need to find a new one.
And if he REALLY didn't know the difference between pano and HD....RUN FOR THE HILLS!
by Ryanhaus on 13 July 2013 - 16:07
Please get another hip x-ray.
I noticed when I saw the video you were talking about how big his craps were.
Switch him to an adult dog food or an all stage dog food, I feed my Fromm Gold
www.frommfamily.com
His hips look like they are fine, only a bad x-ray, please, for the pups sake go
to a vet that knows how to x-ray for certification.
All GSD's bunny hop, no matter what their hip readings, all you should worry about
is if he is limping or lame......
Good luck with your next x-ray, and change his dog food, Edit Western Rider
http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-recall/blue-buffalo-dog-food-recall/
I noticed when I saw the video you were talking about how big his craps were.
Switch him to an adult dog food or an all stage dog food, I feed my Fromm Gold
www.frommfamily.com
His hips look like they are fine, only a bad x-ray, please, for the pups sake go
to a vet that knows how to x-ray for certification.
All GSD's bunny hop, no matter what their hip readings, all you should worry about
is if he is limping or lame......
Good luck with your next x-ray, and change his dog food, Edit Western Rider
http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-recall/blue-buffalo-dog-food-recall/
by SitasMom on 13 July 2013 - 17:07
do not run your puppy along side a bicycle at 5 months, its way too young.
5 months is too early to tell about hips, that being said they seem fine so far.
5 months is too early to tell about hips, that being said they seem fine so far.
by WrkLnGSD on 13 July 2013 - 21:07
I just switched him to Royal Canin GSD 24 Adult. Hope the switch helps.
Today I took him hiking... and he did extremely well!!! Waaaaay better than I though. He was eager to climb rocks and go in the water! About the only time I can say he REALLY showed he was happy to the extreme!
Today I took him hiking... and he did extremely well!!! Waaaaay better than I though. He was eager to climb rocks and go in the water! About the only time I can say he REALLY showed he was happy to the extreme!
by Hundmutter on 14 July 2013 - 06:07
Sorry SM and WkgLn, I should have made it clear I was talking
about some point IN THE FUTURE for AD prep.
[No reason one should not experiment for VERY short distances
with a 5 mth old pup, if really worried about how he walks, I
suppose.]
about some point IN THE FUTURE for AD prep.
[No reason one should not experiment for VERY short distances
with a 5 mth old pup, if really worried about how he walks, I
suppose.]
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