robby glockeneck/ingo rudigen? - Page 1

spelling may be wrong, this father son i am interested on how both these dogs have performed as studs now looking back some years.

what worked and what failed and what are the problems and benefits they caused to the breed.

thanks any info.

Probably you mean these two dogs

SG Robby vom Glockeneck
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=12180-robby-vom-glockeneck



V Ingo von Rudingen

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=5466-ingo-von-rudingen








 

Here is some of what I have read about Ingo

By Hans Prager of Alpine K9

Ingo v Rudingen. ( DDR) member of 5th male line strongly linebred on Ex v Riedstern -THE reversed mask - hard dog which trades he passed on Ingo. Ingo is a fine example of what GSD should be like. Minor negative is occasional missing testicles. No dog is perfect butthis one is as close as it is possible.Ingo is a genetically very dominant dog whose characteristics are still obvious in present dogs. Here I have these 2 pictures which seems to be different dogs. The lower one was presented on PDB. The upper one is of uknown origin....you tell me.
Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com
 

From Von Forrel
http://vonforell.com/german-shepherds/ingo-vom-rudingen
Ingo vom Rudingen was an outstanding producer of East German Border Patrol dogs and his name can be found in the pedigrees of many present day working shepherds through his progeny Held v. Ritterberg, Jeff v. Flämings-Sand, Xanto v.d. Gundorfer Höhe, Viktor v.d. Edelquelle & Robby v. Glockeneck. Ingo vastly improved pigmentation and working abilities within the German Shepherd Breed as a whole and produced many fine working shepherds

Kör: Medium-size, medium-strong male with a good head and expression. Very good top-line, harmonious and pleasing outline with good bone and muscular system. The appearance is determined by good structural proportions, firmness, pronounced pigmentation, correct stand and angulation of the limbs. While trotting he covers ground well, shows good tension and balance. His type is outstanding. Sound and balanced temperament with sufficient sharpness, hardness and courage.

V 3 - DDR-Siegerausstellung 1977
V 3 - DDR-Siegerausstellung 1978
V 4 - DDR-Siegerausstellung 1979

Sibling: Illa.

Linebreeding:

3 - 2..................Ex v. Riedstern 4 - 3..................Greif v. Felsenstein 4 - 3..................Dux v. Schockengrube 4 - 3..................Edda v. Falkenwappen 5 - 4..................Gundo v. Stolper-Land 5 - 4..................Ingo v. Marienplatz 5 - 4..................Freya v. Flutgraben 5, 5, 5 - 4..........Jutta v. Hildakloster 5, 5, 5 - 4..........Barry v. Andershofer Ufer

thanks, thems be the dogs. just trying to put the pieces together of my own puzzle. i find it difficult to generate discussion of dogs other than mink, fero, troll and latest shuts champs.....etc.

how do breeders "investigate" dogs other than asking questions on forums and the brief info on pdb listings? talking about long deceased dogs here that you can't go look at. 

some lines just seem to vanish and some you can't make vanish, doesn't seem to correlate with quality always?  just trying to be more educated.

Thanks Ibrahim. I'm wondering whether Ex Reidstern was the most influential dog from Ingo's ped. I guess that's a question for Hans'. I'd really like to grasp genetics and linebreeding and understand Ingo better. What can be said about other dogs in the ped?

OP wrote…..
how do breeders "investigate" dogs other than asking questions on forums and the brief info on pdb listings? talking about long deceased dogs here that you can't go look at. 

One of the best ways I have found is to GO somewhere. Clubs, trials, seminars. At first I just listened, then I started asking questions, and along the way I have formed friendships an acquaintances that are far more knowledgeable than I. I heard from the person who owned Robby he was a "normal" dog. Average. From another person who met him that while "normal" was a good descriptive he considered the dog SOLID. Really liked him.

I had a grandson of Robby (I think 2-3?). Very attractive blanket-back, blk/tan-red. Super solid temperament, above average drive, physically very strong, horrible escape artist/bulldozer.

--Mary
 

gag, clubs are fine if you live in area with lots of active clubs, OTH too many TD's i met are breeders promoting their own dogs or friends dogs, and while some may be great dogs they have no real interest in talking about long gone dogs that they don't gain anything form, just my experience.

second even talking to people that own or seen dogs is imo unreliable they look way to fondly or not fondly enough either way seldom objective. one stud in my line was said by many to be a shitter, i know from good advice that stud did not like new owner and he was scared of the dog so it spent a horrible existence in a kennel until it died, what that breeder/owner thinks of dog in that example is irrelevant once i found that out.

thirdly i am anti-social so talking to people will never get me the info i want.

i hoped there would be more objective source of info with the breed other than score-book and hip score if older dogs even had scores which guessing must be kind of modern?

You need to just keep at it and draw your own conclusions. It doesn't come all at once. Get out the graph paper. Make notes of what you notice that interests you. When you have a specific question, ask it, the one's who know the most will know if it is a good question, and then nine out of ten times you will get an answer.

VK I drive 2 hours to the nearest club. Farthest club I visit/have visited is 10.5. But I really want to learn.

Remembering fondly.... same problem you get on internet forums.

Anti-social-- show up with food and then just listen. everybody else talks.

Robby and his half brother [ mother side] Pasha are seen today as 2 significant influences from the old East German GSD. You will see Robby in Belguim and Dutch pedigrees and Pasha is in Lewis Malatesta's  mother lines among other. Go to clubs! Any real life connection will benefit you in your journey.