In the beginning... - Page 1

We will start with...There are few laws of thermodynamics, the first law of thermodynamics “Matter (and/or energy) cannot be created or destroyed by any known means…How can you “create” matter from nothing or create energy from nothing. So far no one had discover any possible to do that, which bring us obvious question – well then how did the universe get here? – It had to had the beginning and we know that matter is NOT eternal, it can’t last forever, it’s always breaking down; but this first law of thermodynamics is really powerful proof against the evolution theory, matter cannot be created or destroyed…Which leaves us two logical choices! – Somebody made this world, and that somebody would have to be outside of time, space and matter. Unrelated to them, unconnected to them, uninfluenced by them…Outside time, space and matter or the world made itself. So somebody made the world or the world made itself; the Bible very clearly says: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. It gives no explanation for where God came from…And if atheist asks where God did come from. And I would reply your question assumes that he had to come from somewhere, does in it? What if he just always been, and even the word always you cannot really use that in describing God, because that implies time. Any words that imply time would be improper when you apply them to God…You know where does God live?, well, just the where word implies that he has to have a particular location, he stuck in space…Time, space and matter - three things that we stuck in, but if God is limited by time, space, matter or anything else he is not God. Whatever you thinking of is not God you thinking of, you thinking of something else – okay!
So the Bible simply says in the beginning God did it, it does NOT tell us where God came from, it does not tell us how he did it, he just did it, created the heaven and earth. If you can get passed that verse the rest of it is easy. The whole rest of the book is easy, okay, the rest is easy. That’s interesting and I have no problem accepting that but I do understand how some people do, because in there little brain they limited everything to if I can understand it you know then it’s true, well lol there is a lot of things you can’t understand the way we accept its true. Okay!
Humanists regard the universe as self-existing and not created…You see it’s religious humanist regard a universe as self-existing and NOT created, humanism is a religion, you see atheism is a religion, you would have to believe there is no God, there is no way you would know something like that, how can you possibly know that there is no God? Is something you believe, you take that on faith.   

If you keep this up shtal you'll either go blind , start growing hair on the palms of your hands, or both.
They'll lock you away forever....:)

Here is some more things I could add to my thread here :-)

The word universe comes from two Latin words, uni which means single and verse is a spoken sentence, in English we have verse and prose, verse is a spoken sentence and prose the poetry that rives. So universe is a single spoken sentence. For me that is interesting. And God said, “Let there be light” (Gen 1:3) there has been interesting research done in the last 50 years, exactly what is light? And exactly what is matter? You know what is the material world? And I don’t think anybody knows for sure, we can say it made out of atom, okay I understand, and atoms are made out of electrons, neutrons and protons and maybe some other stuff in there, okay I understand; what they are made of? Could it be that the whole thing is actually light energy or sound energy?
What I learned that they did study of, they take high energy sound and hit the glass of water and it lights up! So God simply spoke the universe into existence “that is a powerful thought” Several times in Genesis 1 it says and God said let there be, let there be, let there be…So the word universe means a spoken sentence and we actually live in a spoken sentence. This is it! We live in the middle of it.
What if everything here is a manifestation of voice of God! God said let there be; you know when he speaks the universe is created, when he speaks the dead come to life, when he speaks the wind quits blowing, the waves lay down. I mean everything obeys the voice of God, except us lol. He has little trouble out of us right now, but he is going to fix that here one of these days. Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, the glory of God the father; coming soon to the city near you.

I certainly hope you wash your hands after each of your acts of self gratification.
Eeeeeewwwwwww nasty.
Some say it will make you insane and it is addictive.

 

And with simple conclusion to my thread I would like to look what science text book says regarding the beginning which all people heard the Big Bang theory.
And so the text book would teach and this is correct, if the Big Bang theory is true the initial object had to be spinning, well this creates the problem, it creates the problem if it wasn’t spinning and it creates a different problem if it was spinning, if it wasn’t spinning and it just exploded then how did all particles clear down to the atoms pickup and spin, if it was spinning you have another big problem because the law conservation of angular momentum but according to creationist view six thousand years ago God created everything and according to evolutionist view twenty billion years ago nothing exploded, it made everything, both views assume a beginning, that’s a given. Okay! Creationist believe beginning God and evolutionist believe all material in the universe was in one tiny dot and all the dirt in the universe squeeze into this dot and it exploded and they believe the beginning dirt.

shtal, I read nothing but part of your last comment there.  The Bible does not claim the earth is 6,000 years old.  I'm a Christian and I'll put it like this.....when are Christians going to realize that?  Not all cling to that, but I've lost count at how many state "the Bible claims this", and how many atheist say the Bible claims it.  ​Moses did not write Genesis for the purpose of dating the beginning of the world. He wrote it as a truncated history of humanity as it pertained to the redemptive work of God and His selection of the Israelites. Trying to date the beginning of the world using Moses' genealogies in Genesis is going beyond their intended function.That there are gaps in the genealogy is beyond doubt. The original Hebrew text of Genesis 11:12-13 does not include the name Cainan or his years, but the text of Luke 3:36 does. When the Old Testament was being translated into Greek (called the Septuagint, in the 3rd century BC), Cainan's name was added to Genesis 11. But the fact remains that, originally, there was at least one verifiable gap in the Genesis 11 genealogy.If Genesis 11 is strictly-chronological, then all of the post-flood patriarchs actually outlived Abram, including Noah. Even more ridiculous, Eber the father of Peleg would have been alive until the time of Jacob! Also, the Tower of Babel story would have occurred within a generation or two of Abram's life. This makes no sense, since Abram's world is vastly different than the post-Tower-of-Babel. By Abram's time period, people were already very spread out and living by long-entrenched customs and languages. Civilizations had been built, which wouldn't make much sense if the Babel people had only recently been ordered to spread out.

It just wouldn't make any sense to believe that something the Genesis 11 genealogy is complete chronological record. In fact, the Hebrews traditionally viewed genealogies as being very loosely-defined. "Begat" does not literally mean "had him as a son", but actually refers to descendants, as in my grandfather or great-grandfather begat me, even though we are generations apart.The years are literal, and it is a factual genealogy. Don't misinterpret me at all. It just explains a lot chronologically if we understand that there are intentional gaps in the genealogy.

For other genealogical gaps, as further proof of what I'm saying, consider that in Matthew 1:8 "Joram begat Uzziah", but there are actually three generations omitted. 1 Chronicles 26:24 calls Shebuel the son of Gershom, but there are actually 400 years of generations skipped between them. Also notice that in Genesis 11:16-19, there is a sudden, inexplicable drop in life spans from Eber (no patriarch before him lived less than 433 years) to Peleg (nobody after him lived more than 239 years). If Peleg was alive at the time of the Tower of Babel (Genesis 10:25), but if Noah, Shem, and the others lived all the way until Abram, this is strange language. Why is it said that Peleg lived during the time of the division at Babel, when a strict-chronological interpretation of Genesis 11 actually has them ALL living during Babel?

SSDD.

Gen.chapter 10 records events which happen after chapter 11  {cp. 10;5,20}.
It is that during the days of Peleg Gen.10:25; 11;17  that mankind was devided at Babel.

      gouda

First the fly's and then the rat, let the feast begin.

gouda, not sure what you're getting at. I understand what you're saying, and it's true; But I'm just stating if the genealogies are strictly chronological, there would be a number of people alive in times......that just were not possible.