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by Bhaugh on 28 March 2013 - 01:03
I was corrected this evening when I made a comment about a black golden retriever being a mix and come to find out they really do exist. True the color is recessive and in all my years, I've never seen one until now. SO I'm wondering who else has seen them and or worked with them. I was advised there is a group in GA that breeds them 
for service dogs. My guy passed at 7 from cancer and as I read approx 64% of them will get cancer. Does the breed really need to be bred to be black? Why not cure cancer so they can live longer. Who cares what color they are. Oh GOLD
Barb
for service dogs. My guy passed at 7 from cancer and as I read approx 64% of them will get cancer. Does the breed really need to be bred to be black? Why not cure cancer so they can live longer. Who cares what color they are. Oh GOLDBarb
by Psycht on 28 March 2013 - 02:03
Are you talking about Flat-Coated Retrievers? Sadly, both Goldensl and Flats have a horrific rate of cancer in the breed. Have friends with both breeds and it is heartbreaking when the get cancer. There is significant research going on to assist in fighting the disease in the breeds.
by Bhaugh on 28 March 2013 - 02:03
No.....there are actually black golden retrievers, a recessive gene that occurs rarely. I had to research it myself.
by Hundmutter on 28 March 2013 - 04:03
If its been around a while, possibly the way Flatcoats got
developed in the first place ?
developed in the first place ?
by Xeph on 28 March 2013 - 04:03
The Golden comes from the Flat Coat :) Flat Coats still pop up yellow sometimes. But yeah, the yellow Flatties separated and became the Golden Retriever
by Hundmutter on 28 March 2013 - 04:03
Ah, that way round ! Thanks Xeph, thought they were connected but
couldn't be bothered to look up some history. So black came first ?
No wonder it is still around, then, even though rare. Never seen a
black Goldie myself but had heard it was possible. [HAVE seen a
couple of liver Gordon Setters, just shows you can have some really
freaky things happen with colour genes.]
couldn't be bothered to look up some history. So black came first ?
No wonder it is still around, then, even though rare. Never seen a
black Goldie myself but had heard it was possible. [HAVE seen a
couple of liver Gordon Setters, just shows you can have some really
freaky things happen with colour genes.]
by Xeph on 28 March 2013 - 04:03
Gordons can come in LIVER!? o.O!
I've never seen a black Golden myself, but have seen a yellow Flat Coat. Just looked like a poorly bred Golden, LOL!
I've never seen a black Golden myself, but have seen a yellow Flat Coat. Just looked like a poorly bred Golden, LOL!
by Hundmutter on 28 March 2013 - 09:03
Liver Gordon Setters:
Yeah, the DJ David Hamilton had one of them, and there was
another at a dog Club I attended near Newbury a few years
ago, don't know if the two were related. I was well surprised
too when I first found out, so used to them being B&T, nothing
else.
Yeah, the DJ David Hamilton had one of them, and there was
another at a dog Club I attended near Newbury a few years
ago, don't know if the two were related. I was well surprised
too when I first found out, so used to them being B&T, nothing
else.
by dragonfry on 28 March 2013 - 11:03
Labradors, Goldens, Flat Coats and Newfoundlands all have a few common ancestors. The origional color of "St Johns' Water dog" the lab was black, crossed with the Tweed Spaniel they crated the yellow lab and golden retreiver. Flat coats are an offshoot of the cross in black and liver. Liver popped up later in labs and flat coats. Moasic labs pop up from time to time and they are a remant if the landseer newfs. We often forget that most of the dog breeds we see today are less then 100 years old. So those gene pools are still fairly shallow.
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