SV Hips - Page 1

I was told that I could get hips done through the SV at 12 months, is this true? Would it be a lot of work or worth it for a dog without pink papers? Does the SV hip rating precede the OFA? Am I way off with all of this?

YOu can pre lim at 12 months, SV at 2 if I am correct.

SV a-stamps are done after the dogs first birthday. You can go through the WDA for a-stamps, at the moment they do not require you to be a member. The dog needs AKC or SV registration and a tattoo. Info is on the WDA website. SV a-stamp and OFA are two different things. Some people prefer one, some the other. If you want to KKL a dog in Germany the OFA is not accepted, you need the a-stamp. In the US OFA is accepted though for KKL and Sieger Shows. The advantage of doing a-stamps at one year is that you know what you have before you put in extra work or expense for titling and showing. Also once you put more physical stress on the young dog as the titling starts the dog is already certified and changes to the hips due to injury/physical stress will not affect your future plans. OFA is at 2 years of age.

Please note that the topic has a few previous posts in "Dogs turns at Owner" and "Sieger "newbie" Following the posts by D.H., I just realized what causes these posts by to distort and divert the correct information on the Zuchtwert. Dogs/puppies with a high Zuchtwert are being exported from Germany to USA. Anything from Zuchtwert 100 and up has no place within the goals of good German breeders anymore. Zuchtwert 100 is the official norm but at the same time is the upper limit. A small rise above will be tolerated, but is difficult to handle. Therefore, when the puppies from a litter receive Zuchtwert 100 or worse, they could show up on our continent in the hands of importers. But when a dog with Zuchtwert 135 is being sold by an importer, you need to know that no matter what stamp this dog has, it will produce dysplastic puppies. The Zuchtwert is based on the values in the breeding line, not just two or three generations, many more generations make up the Zuchtwert. Having the hips of a dog with a Zuchtwert 135 cleared by OFA serves no purpose. The dog carries hip dysplasia and must never be bred. Please note that the Zuchtwert is a variable figure and is NOT listed on the export pedigree/registration like some people believe. The Zuchtwertliste is accessible to everybody on the SV website. You need to punch in the foreign registration number of your dog to find the current Zuchtwert value. Zuchtwerte are updated 4 times per year, every three months.

To Mosemancro: Good breeders in Germany do no longer have to give a hip guarantie. It is your responsibility as the future dog/puppy owner to choose a dog/puppy with a Zuchtwert which will assure you an HD free dog. No need to go to OFA because OFA is not even approved in Germany. Your guarantie is the Zuchtwert. Please see my other post and then inform yourself from a German source.

yes please check other topics, you are just a waste of time to keep responding too.

Once again, you people are lashing out at someone asking a simple question.... I have been on this list for quite some time and often can't understand where all the "experts" pop out from.. Maybe just an answer to the question and some ointing in the right direction is all Mosemancr is looking fro but certainly not being told the question is a waste of time ..... c'mon people!! Mosemancr, there is no absolute when it comes to hip evaluation..... the "a" stamp program has it's failings as well as OFA and PennHip I know of a dog whose was "a" stamped at 2, but would never have OFA'd and all the littermaes were dysplastic, so so much for that.... You can do "a" stamp thru WDA or USA but you need to satisfy the requirements of both to do so.... www.germanshepherddog.com for USA and www.gsdca-wda.org for WDA. Also check out www.offa.org for the OFA websites.. as an FYI.. OFA will not certify before 2 years but they wil prelim at any time... I think you need to take some time to read thru all the info you can find and try to come up with a plan You can also check out Pennhip but I don't know the website for it, a search should find it for you easily. As an additional note, at 12 months a dog is not done growing and although I have seen hips get better from the prelim to the actual rating, I have also seen them get worse... so no method is tha cut and dry... You need to become very knowledgeable about the different systems.. Good luck and continue to ask questions and do research..... Merry Christmas

Thanks DKiah! This thing is worse than boot camp, get my balls busted for everything. If you others feel that Im such a waste of time, then ignore me and drive on. You guys reflect very poorly on your parents. I feel sorry for your kids, they never had a chance. I also hope your dogs run away from you and find better homes after leaving a fat pile or crap on your living room rug.

Mosemancr, my last comment was not directed at you, very obviously. If you check out said other topics you will see how this came about. My appologies for not putting in the name to whom that comment was addressed to. Proper ID requirements for each poster on this site would certainly help keep the riffraff away. Again, my appologies. Your question certainly was very valid and you deserve information that is correct and will assist you. a-stamping at one year has a very small margin of error. Hips are not static, and will change over a dogs lifetime, even after 2 years. Good nutrition, proper way of raising the pup, the proper form of exercise, ideal weight, avoiding undue physical stress all has a strong effect on hips, not just genetics. From a breeder point of view it makes more sense to have hips certified at one year, before the owner starts to put more stresses on the dog. For the owner it saves future headaches and allows you to determine where you place your efforts. Good luck.

To all readers interested in the subject: The first step when choosing a good GSD puppy from a good SV breeder is to familiarize yourself with the breeding line of your chosen breeder. Approach the breeder with knowledge about the achievements and the breeding line of the kennel (Zwinger). Your next step will be to choose a dam in the breeding program of this kennel. Look at the dam’s Zuchtwert, a Zuchtwert between 80 and 90 is what you are looking for. A few points above 90 are still OK. Note, there are now GSDs with a low Zuchtwert between 70 and 80, may be the odd one lower. Of course this would be a preferable Zuchtwert but difficult for a USA resident to get a puppy from. If you have a good breeder with low Zuchtwerte in the Zwinger, dogs titled and exhibited, you can leave the choice of stud up to the breeder when reserving a puppy. Please remember that you will have to make your reservation about one to two years ahead of the breeding. Not a good idea to contact the breeder when the puppies are on the ground, other persons will already have reserved their puppies. When this breeder chooses the stud for the mating, you can be assured that he/she will try to choose a stud with a low Zuchtwert. Good SV breeders always aim to improve on the litter. Example: Dam has a Zuchtwert 86 Sire has a Zuchtwert 82 Combined value 86 + 82 = 168 All puppies in the litter will receive a Zuchtwert of 84 ( 168 divided by 2 = 84) In the following quarterly update of the Zuchtwertliste approx. 2 to 3 months after the litter was born, the Zuchtwert of each puppy will be listed. These puppies as they grow can now improve or worsen their Zuchtwert by correct or incorrect matings. Dam and Sire of the litter can also improve or worsen the Zuchtwert with further individual matings, a very complicated system. If your puppy has been exported to USA, unfortunately, you will not have the opportunity to contribute to your breeding line because USA has not yet come up with an agreement, a breeding law acceptable to the SV. However, there are a few breeders on the American continent who now own GSDs with a Zuchtwert. I strongly suggest that you interact with those breeders when you plan to breed. In Germany all siblings, dam and sire contribute to the Zuchtwert of each other. The puppies in Germany can improve their siblings Zuchtwert by selective breeding later on. The purpose of the a-stamp on a dog is a confirmation to the breeder of the litter and added to the records of dam and sire of your puppy. But, the a-stamp alone does not qualify your dog for future breedings. As I mentioned previously, your – the buyers - responsibility is to choose a breeding combination with a good Zuchtwert. Good breeders in Germany do not have to give a hip guarantee anymore. With a good Zuchtwert on your puppy you can expect good hips. But, you do owe the breeder of your puppy the screening of the hips, preferable done in Germany since OFA is not being accepted. And again, when you breed later on your female, the new owners of the puppies owe you the screening of the hips at 24 months of age when done on the American continent.