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What does it mean when in the pedigree it says a dog from west or east germany has listed under its name...wrongful conversion? The dog's number indicates SZ....... but then it says wrongful conversion. Thanks, Deb

In the case of a dog from the former DDR it could be because many of the DDR dogs were given an assumed registration number with the S.V. after the collapse of the eastern border. Before the collapse the jusrisdiction of the S.V. did not easily extend into the eastern area. I have never seen this on a pedigree, but then again none of my dogs have DDR influence. Is this an A.K.C. pedigree from that you are reading this? Bob-O

Bob-O I have several AKC pedigrees that on the old Busecker Schloss and Fluss Tal,Dona zur Steinbock Burgand on Greif zum Lahntal , Dora Von Den Rixecker Alphen and even Umsa Vom Bungalow all have under the sz # Conversion Default I wondered also what that means Its on all my akc pedigrees of all my dogs...Brix zum Jurgenshof which goes back to the dog mentioned on this site several times Aslan v Klammle

Yellowrose, it is interesting to say the least. Again, I have no experience with this so I chose to speculate since I do remember when the dogs of the former DDR were recognised by the S.V.. All of mine are West German lines, or West German and American lines mixed. I see the normal SZ 0000000 registration number for the German-born dogs and bitches who were never registered with the A.K.C., but have never seen the words "conversion default" after the SZ prefix. Perhaps someone on the messageboard has a true answer, as I am forced to speculate because I remember some of the things that happened immediately after the border collapse. I have seen the DDR-registered dogs represented by the original DDR number, as well as their SZ number from the S.V.. But, never on a printed pedigree-just one that can be found on some website. And being that the collapse happened some fifteen (15) years ago, probably none of the dogs who were registered in the DDR are still alive. Interesting, to say the least. Bob-O

The papers are from the AKC. It is the pedigree they sent. The line traces back to this particular dog several times and the registration number begins with the SZ. Just curious. Debbie

Yes AKC pedigrees And I have the german printed pedigrees but because I reg the litter akc I always buy an Akc pedigree just to make sure it gets done correctly. I saw all those conversion defaults and I thought why.....Never aske anyone because I havae my german ones and I know what is in them and have all numbers except for the one boy I just bought with the Timo de la Sereno in him I have no german ped on him, and he has that same conversion default on a lot of the dogs there , also... Puzzling now that someone else brought the question;l;;;;;; ?????

Okay, I have thought about this a bit more and may have an answer. The A.K.C. pedigrees are generated by a database, just as with any other organization. The words "Conversion Default" indicate that the data about that particular dog is either missing or corrupted, as would be the case with a dog who has a number in two (2) different registries so the result is "null" and is represented by the words Conversion Default. But, more interesting is why this does not happen when a dog or puppy is originally registered with the S.V. and is registered with the A.K.C. In days past, sometimes the words "W Germany" or just "Germany" would show up on the pedigree when it was a German-born ancestor who was also A.K.C. registered. Since there is now one (1) Germany the abbreviation for West is not needed, but may show up for those dogs who were registered and born before 1991. Yellowrose, it is a good thing that you have the German pedigrees in case lineage ever needs to be proven. I guess that if what I stated is true, why cannot or will not the A.K.C. fix their pedigree generating database? Bob-O

Bob-O, I think you hit the nail on the head. The question is why would AKC fix anything considering the fact that their ineptitude is legendary yet they continue to have a corner on the US market. Best Wishes, Joanh

Ur right about akc. I have all the german , Belgium, ANd these are very notable pedigrees and there not problem on the german etc pedigrees its when u order a pedigree from akc that u get all the conversion default and there a bunch on every one I have . All u have to do is go to this database and theres no problem except for on of the Teikerhook lines......Its hard to accept that a money making akc cant find the pedigrees and make the info read right when any database agency that specializes in this can.

My comment is not related directly to the conversion default, but to the actual registration number of the dogs in an FCI pedigree. I have noticed for some time that on some FCI pedigrees the letter prefix to the registration numbers has been changed by the registry issuing the FCI pedigree. For example, an Hungarian registry uses a prefix MET followed by the registration number. But it will also change the prefix assigned by a German or other country's registryt to MET. If you take just the number and trace it back to the country of origin, you will find the complete original registration number of the dog. AKC has accepted all FCI registries, but really does not check the pedigrees and verify that the content is correct. May be this conversion default is nothing more, as mentioned above, than a data base conversion that becomes corrupted when it runs across an incorrect prefix to the number. The Scandinavian countries are also accepting these FCI pedigrees with changed prefixes, and that is when it becomes very confusing. Canada turned some of those pedigrees down. The CKC actually checks the pedigrees by hand. In other words a person check an individual pedigree submitted with an imported dog. As some of you may know, the FCI did not like this.