WHY? DDR/Czech - Page 1

why is it we dont see FULL and mostly DDR/czech bloodlines in top sch shows?
now we might get a west/belgian coss with a czech but i never see anything more then that.

Study the history of the dogs from those countries, and what their primary purpose was ( in other words, what they were bred for).

Because dog sports favour the prey-monster dog with no mind of its own!

I'd also argue your initial premise--there have been quite a few all Czech competitors at top levels of competition.

Grim comes to mind.

WUSV 2012 shows number 2, 3 as "Czech" dogs...actually Slovak.

2 Jaroslav Vnencak & Witz Eqidius (SVK) / 98A / 95B / 97C / total 290

3 Jozef Lengvarský & Geischa Eqidius (SVK) / 99A / 90B / 96C / total 285

WUSV 2012 shows number 2, 3 as "Czech" dogs...actually Slovak.

2 Jaroslav Vnencak & Witz Eqidius (SVK) / 98A / 95B / 97C / total 290

3 Jozef Lengvarský & Geischa Eqidius (SVK) / 99A / 90B / 96C / total 285

Guddu:
Both these dogs are exceptional.
However, they are not 100% Slovak OR Czech...

There are some very influential West German dogs in their pedigrees...
Aly vom vordersteinwald is a top producer of competition dogs...

I'd like to see more up there myself... I love the DDR dogs especially. I'd like to get into actually competing with my next dog (I'm learning the ropes with Qira, currently) and would like to stick with at least some DDR, but it looks like I may have to look into the West dogs instead.

Other than one post  you've been given some good advice.
The DDR and Czech dogs were traditionally bred and trained to be much more defensive.
In other words, to react to a threat or that their agression mostly comes from being threatened.
When the dog is being worked in defense they usually bite extremely well and grip extremely well if taught to properly.
In prey mode the bites can become chewy and the grips usually aren't that good. (this wasn't important for dogs doing border patrol work)
You really need a skilled and dedicated trainer/helper that understands how to work these dogs.
In Schutzhund you need aggression to come from prey as well as defense if you want to compete at a high level successfully.
Some dogs are able to compete and do okay with mostly only prey.
Many of the West German showlines, if they have any drive, and some of the West German and Belgian working lines are like this, but, usually these dogs will not do very well at high levels.
There are, of course, some exceptions.
The traditional DDR and Czech dogs usually have much lower prey drive than the West German or Belgian working lines.
Examples of this can be (not always) lackadaisical obedience, slow blind searches, helpers out running them on escape bites, the long bite/courage test may be non-existant because the dog won't engage the helper, etc.
One other thing to note is that a lot of the DDR and Czech males mature very slowly.
A serious Schutzhund competitor can't wait until the dog is 3-4 years old to know if it going to work for them.
It is too big of a gamble with potentially a lot of lost time.
Please note that what I have written, while true, is a lot of generalizations.
There are always exceptions to the rule.
Most importantly, a good dog is a good dog regardless of where it came from.
If you want to have a Czech type dog and compete in Schutzhund, there are many people over there now breeding really good Czech/West German crosses that have been turning out really well.
Contact GSDPack on this web site. She can point you in the proper direction.