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by fawndallas on 04 January 2013 - 14:01
I am some what confused. I am noticing many people starting their puppies on bite work before they are a year old. From the photos, this is not simply chasing a rag or playing tug. This is full on going after a bite sleeve.
Isn't it best, both health and training wise, to wait until the puppy has finished growing before starting them on bite work?
My lack of knowledge in the schutzhund sport is very high. Maybe it is common to start the bite work training earlier.......
Isn't it best, both health and training wise, to wait until the puppy has finished growing before starting them on bite work?
My lack of knowledge in the schutzhund sport is very high. Maybe it is common to start the bite work training earlier.......
by VKGSDs on 04 January 2013 - 15:01
Depends on the dog and training style. I don't really do serious protection until the dog begins to mature which is most times after a year, often well beyond a year, but as a puppy I will often have a helper work my dog a few times just to see what is there. I don't bother doing rag work, pillows, etc. If the dog is teething we just don't do bitework but usually I'll have a puppy tested 3-4 times and have never had problems using an intermediate sleeve. A lot of it is genetic and that's what I want to see, what is there, not how full I can make a "grip" by having the helper feed a rag or soft pillow.
by fawndallas on 04 January 2013 - 15:01
Oh.... That is probably my misunderstanding then. The photos that I see may be more of a "lets see what they have" rather than full training.
I just recall that there is a lot of "bouncing," especially in the blind area on the dog's part, which seems like that puts a lot of pressure on the joints.
Thank you.
I just recall that there is a lot of "bouncing," especially in the blind area on the dog's part, which seems like that puts a lot of pressure on the joints.
Thank you.
by Hired Dog on 04 January 2013 - 15:01
Yes, bite work is started well before the one year mark. I start a puppy on it at 6 weeks and work them all the way to teething, stop, and start again when teething is done. By the time the dog is a year old, it knows an entire routine and has most fundumental work done. What I wont do is defense work until the dog matures.
As far as joint issues, that is more of an agility problem then bite work.
As far as joint issues, that is more of an agility problem then bite work.
by Keith Grossman on 04 January 2013 - 16:01
I agree; no reason not to start them as early as possible so long as the training is appropriate for the dog's maturity level.
by RLHAR on 04 January 2013 - 18:01
There is also a big difference between working in prey with lots of 'wins' and confidence building to help teach the foundation of grips and the more intense pressure of defense.
As Hired Dog said, the only real 'no go' period is through teething.
As Hired Dog said, the only real 'no go' period is through teething.
by fawndallas on 04 January 2013 - 18:01
In the SCH trial I went to, during the bite work part, the dogs "bounced" up and down when barking at the handler. (sorry, I am sure there is a better wording for this) Isn't this tough on the joints?
by Keith Grossman on 04 January 2013 - 18:01
Shouldn't be.
by isachev on 04 January 2013 - 19:01
On the bark and hold, the dogs rear legs should not be coming off the ground. Then they hit ground with front, but ever so slightly. So I don't think there's a potential joint damage issue.
by susie on 04 January 2013 - 19:01
Going with Keith and Hired - as soon as possible - not/careful during teething
It´s time for you to go outside, Fawn, otherwise you´ll never know.
It´s time for you to go outside, Fawn, otherwise you´ll never know.
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