00 Hips - Page 1

It's great to see that breeders are trying very hard to produce dogs with low HD or even 00 hips. But it must be said that even though the breeders are doing what they can, there are pups out their breed from excellent hip line parentage, such as Antilli and others, who still end up with severe HD at a very young age and end up lame or worse by the time they are a year old. So one must ask the question, because a dog has 00 rating would he inturn produce excellent hips himself, if mated with a dog of similiar scoring?? In theory one would probably say yes, but there must always be a shadow of a doubt, as genetics is a very strong influence going back generations. So even though you are looking to use a dog with 00 hips for a breeding, one must do their research on the family tree of this dog/s, and hope that if it reads well the dog/s in question will produce low HD or better. One must remember that breeding is not something to be taken likely, as like a box of chocolates you never know what you might get.

Hi Nilco I think the family on this litter is very good,because his brother's have german x-rays too.Both dogs are HD and ED normal.And I think that tell you a lot about family. Brigitte

Just remember Excellent bred to Excellent can still produce dysplastic. You must look at the whole picture(genetics/production/Lifestyle).

Gitte, I have not mentioned a litter, but yes the breeding on these dogs are good. But my point is that this does not guarantee that they will throw good hips. You could in my opinion put 2 great lines together and still get good and bad hips, and this is where the genetic make up of a dog from generations down the line has the undesired affect. I once had a GSD who was breed again from A stamp dogs, good HD & ED and she still had severe HD, and it was eventually traced to a dog which was in fact 10 generations down the line, known for producing bads hips and had bad hips himself, but he was a great mover and show dog. Bearing in mind this was in days when HD was almost accepted as being part and parcel of the breed. But again I have a dog of excellent breeding, purchased from a good breeder with very good stock, both parents and grandparents etc all good HD & ED, but this dog has severe HD. This was not expected by the breeders nor myself, but it has happened, the siblings to this dog who have been xrayed have no problem, and have come back with a good rating, so why would the dog that I have from the same litter have severe HD? This is questions which no one has been able to answer.

Excessive weight/exercise during the youth, Injury, food quality.... Im assuming that the xrays are correct. Chris Orkies vom GrimOrkie

Chris, The dog was and still is being feed on a very good quality food, not over exercised and no injury, weight not a problem, actually slighly down on her weight to ensure no extra strain on the hips. And the hips where xrayed on 3 occassions at 3 different ages, and it is more than obvious. In my eyes the only reason for her problems are genetic. And she is also proof to me that no matter how good the hips of the parents are, the could still produce HD in a mild or severe form.

You are right Nilco I have 2 excel hip bitches out of all good hips and one fair on both sides and three out of each litter wouldnt pass ofa they dont have any signs yet but had slight Hd on the ratings. Its like playing that game ont Tv Plinko Its the genes and I think some of it is how the pups lay in the womb especially in larger litters Its a queston how a wad of pups in a large litter get formed correctly in a small space Then the first 23 months of that dog is critical to stay formed correctly. Ive read so many articles and listened to researchers and Vets that worked for OFA on their studies that it gets foggy in my brain.We can only do the best we can and try to get others to only breed ofa dogs I dont know if there is an answer as where and why or howcome.