Reply to Shtal (Interesting facts, for believers) - Page 1

This thread was evidently closed, cannot post to it and he deserves a reply.

Evolution is a dying theory an artificial life support, kept only alive from religious zealots. Evolution is dying religion, just like many fault teaching died horrible deaths over the years, evolution is no differ, the only reason people didn’t give up on this silly idea is because the only alterative is creation.

And there you have it, a logical fallacy which demostrates that you have no basis in reality and is in no way scientific.  It is an argument from ignorance, plain and simple.  The ancients used that same logic to understand lightning -------> fire from the sky means the gods are angry, there's the proof!  When there is no science to expalin how the natural world works, BOOM, Zeus did it!  I

Let me explain something to you Shtal.  If evolution was PROVEN WRONG tomorrow, that does NOT confirm that creation is right!  You STILL need EVIDENCE for that and you have ZILCH!  You still have to PROVE that God did it and you CAN'T.  It is an IDEA, formed in the minds of those who did not have the science to understand how the world works.

If YOU want to believe it, go right ahead, but it's got nothing to do with reality.  What you WANT  to believe is true is completely irrelevant to what is ACTUALLY true and some people care about whether what they believe is true or not.

But, let's just say for a minute that you (actually, Kent Hovind) have proven evolution to be completely false, just for argument's sake, okay?  And let's go further and say that creation is the ONLY other alternative and it should take its rightful place being taught in shcools (your argument, remember?)

Since we can't hold one religious view above another, I guess we'll have to teach them all!

Creation from Chaos:
Cheonijwang bonpuli (Korean)
Enuma Elis (Babylonian)
Greek Cosmos
Jamshid
Kumulipo
Mande
Raven Myth
Serer
Pangu
Sumerian
Tungusic
Unkulunkulu
Vainamoinen
Virococha

Earth Diver:
Ainu
Cherokee
Yoruba

Emergence:
Hopi
Mayan
Dine Bahane
Zuni

Ex Nihilo:
Debate between sheep and grain
Barton Cylinder
Ancient Egyptian
Genesis
Islam
Kabezya
Maori
Mbombo
Ngai
Popol Vuh
Rangi and Papa

World Parent:
Coatlicue
Enuma Elis
Greek Cosmos
Heliopolis
Hiranyagarbha
Voluspa

REGIONAL

African:
Fon
Kaang
Kintu
Mande
Mbombo
Serer
Ngai
Unkulunkulu
Yoruba

American:
Anishianaabeg
Cherokee
Choctaw
Dreek
Hopi
Kuterastan
Raven
Dine Bahane
Zuni

South American:
Legand of Trentren Vilu and Caicai Vilu
Viracocha

Asian
Mongolian
Tungusic
Ainu
Au Co
Dangun
Japanese
Nuwa
Pangu
Samseonghyeol
Hiranyagarbha

European:
Pelasagian
Vainamoinen
Voluspa

Pacific Islands:
Kumulipo
Maori
Rangi and Papa
Sureq

* "You STILL need EVIDENCE for that and you have ZILCH!  You still have to PROVE that God did it and you CAN'T.  It is an IDEA, formed in the minds of those who did not have the science to understand how the world works." *

I think that's being a little too - not fair. Because you make it sound like there are NO arguments against evolution from a cosmological, teleological or anthropological point of view. It sounds to me like your just picking "religion" and or "Christianity" as some sort of nut job conspiracy.

I think the only way to get my point across here is to flip the "theory" in favor of "intelligent design" or creation. Because that is ultimately the case here. And I support it 100%.

Here's one example ... although I could go on and on and prolly will but I want to see what you say of this first Travels.

With an open mind look at the symmetries and balances of laws and effects - IE Laws of Physics. Realizing that alone suggests the evolution theory is missing something. No ? If you say no, take the evolutionary blinders off. Then look at the coherence, conditions and cooperation of laws and effects again. If that doesn't get you thinking in general how about the First Law of Thermodynamics (energy/matter) that law states no matter or energy can be created or destroyed. So that right there discredits the thought of some sort of continuous creation. No ? Backing what the Bible says somewhere in the beginning (lol) God ended his work he did make. OK, tell me what is being made today in this universe other than man made inventions or creations. Name one. Or better yet, name something that is being destroyed in the universe other than man made destruction. Name just one.

Two threads?
The other is still there.
Which one should we use, which one to avoid, decisions decisions....lol

This one sparked my interest - so I stay on this one.

LOL,
How foolish can it be to argue this though with someone like Shtal?

It's not foolish at all. He just doesn't know how to present his case, if you care to know what I think. His argument for creation and "intelligent design" is there for the taking, he just need a little nudge from a higher dimensional point of view. LMAO

There for the taking?

Didn't anyone ever wonder why males get circumcised on the 8th day after birth ? Why not day 1-2-3-4-5 or 12  or any other day in their life ? Well it's because of the whole "intelligent design" theory. Medically, even today they discourage circumcision on any day other than the 8th day or any type surgery unless life threatening situations of an infant. Does anyone know why ?

I'll tell you why. lol

Because on the 8th day after birth in male human beings the prothrombin (Vit K) levels are designed to spike well over 100%, and the 8th day is the only day this occures in a male human. Coincidence ? I think not.

In the Bible many many years before (lol) medical science trial and error, God told Abraham and Moses about the 8th day. From a medical point of view the 8th day cannot be denied. This fact was recorded in the Bible long before medical science confirmed it to be true.

Interesting huh ? Evolution ? or "intelligent design " ?