Help Needed - Cincinnati GSD Rescue - Page 4

After thinking about it a bit, I would have to say that screening of both dogs and people is a critical part of a successful rescue operation, and that anyone who cannot euthanize a dog which is unsuitable for placement really should not be in it. Same with breeders. You must be able and willing to do what needs to be done. Rescue should be able saving really worthy dogs from destruction or a life of misery, not about foisting problem dogs on clueless people who are incapable of dealing with them. Short of being a miracle-worker, you can do a lot of good. You just cannot save them all. I think in a way that there are no BAD dogs, but that there are many, many dogs which are terribly mismatched. Theoretically, the right home could be found for ANY dog, but the odds of it are slim, in some cases. I once owned an extremely aggressive dog who had put several people in the hospital (including myself!), and I got him straightened out, to a degree. But this dog was completely unsuitable for placement. He really should have been destroyed. It's not worth having people hurt. And if you accept the idea that they can all be saved and rehomed somewhere, you are going to tend to be less discriminatory about your adopters. We all know about the problems that the American Pit Bull Terrier is having in the media and local / state legislatures. Their problems began when the breed became so popular. Our breed went through that, too, back in the early 20th century, and so did the Dobermann Pinscher...The moral being that problem dogs are loose cannons, and that every idiot should not have a dog, especially if that dog has any kind of issues that require a high degree of responsibility from the owner. You can talk all you want about screening, educating and following up, but when you place a dog, you automatically give up most (if not all) of your control over it and what happens with it.

Blitzen- Where did you get your dogs? Mine are all rescues with the exception of my Pup. MasonMom- So she stated that she has a 6ft privacy fence all around the acre, yet you acknowledge the fact that she has a 4ft fence with a crappy chainlink fence in the back. Ceaser Milan? HAHAHA! That is Funny. Her dogs are NEVER in control. They beat up the new dogs that come in because they have nerve issues themselves. Atlas bullies other dogs. He tried to push my KC around. Rhea "tested" KC and said he would be a GREAT therapy dog. Let me show you all some video of him and his work. Now mind you, he is DDR, and extremly civil, but stable. You could pet him no problem. Yeah, great therapy dog. Genetics makes him more defensive, and people cant even get CLOSE to my car. She said that could be "trained out". Umm. DDR-DSH I would LOVE your opnion on the DDR dogs that are defensive in genetics, and training the genetic behavior out... No he is not nervy, or fearful in anyway. Awesome pound dog. For me. NOT a FAMILY with no experience or knowledge. GSDs have more of a bite history because of piss poor breeding. AKC crap dogs with fear and nerve issues. BYB taking 2 crap dogs and breeding them because the breed is popular. Kinda like the Dalmation thing. 101 dalmations = more dalmations, and bad breedings. Kids got bit, adults got bit all because of people taking Crap dogs and breeding them. Lovesczechdawgs give me some info on your GREAT breedings, and what they produce? Any nervy dogs that bite untrained for fear? No, i think not. How about ummm. Well ANY breeder of the GSD who does it correctly? Nervy dogs that bite outta fear? Nope. DDR-DSH is correct loose cannon dogs getting rehomed, and re-bred to produce more loose cannons. Oh and noone is "badmouthing" or slandering or defaming Rhea and the rescue. This is all TRUE, with justified reason to state it on a public forum. People need to know what and whom they would be helping if they so choose. The only thing I post here are FACTS. And with the hard proof to well, prove it. Yeah. I know my legal stuff. And YES I pressed harrassment charges against her, and the FIRST thing they did was go to ARBITRATION, I have a court orderd order, signed by both not to contact eachother or families by any means. Well, she can say bad stuff about me if she so chooses (although there is none..) And it is all within the order. Although I am all about FACTS. And she has already contacted me, and i can now press charges again. Maybe I should, but I dont want the legal crap in my life again. DDR-DSH I LOVE your posts!!!!

Here you go people 1 acre of land @43,560 Sq Ft... Outer measurements of 220ft x 200ft = 44,000 sq ft. Privacy fencing 6x8 panels cheapest grade = http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=20206-000000199-20206&lpage=none $26.97 per panel. SO 840ft of fencing needed. = 105 panels needed =$2831.85 Posts... MINIMUM of 210, if 2 per panel= http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productList&No=36&Ne=8000&category=Outdoor+and+Treated+Lumber&N=0+5001073 =6"x6"x8' # 2.40 Treated Item # 2827 $19.97 per post. (minimun of 8' long prefer 9 ft long to support in high winds better....) $4,193.70 Quickrete 50lb bags MINIMUM of 1 bag PER post. = http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=10437-000000286-14433&lks=bda23b so 210 bags at $5.98 = $1255.80 So Far the CHEAPEST way to fence in an Acre of land is $8,281.35. NOT including nails, screws, a gate, hinges, bolts, tools, and LABOR. Hmmm. Not even close to $2000.00. And MasonMom states that there is no 6ft fence. She agrees with the 4ft fencing, and the crappy falling down chainlink run in the back. Another Lie brought out. Wow what a pattern. Anyone see some issues with the so called "truth" here?

Mercedes, I've had maybe 40 dogs in my lifetime. More than half were dogs I either took back after the buyers decided they no longer wanted them or they were abandoned at my boarding kennel. That was before it was called rescue. I never took an abandoned dog to any shelter, there were no such things as "no kill" humane societies at that time. Any dog that didn't go to a home in 14 days of less was PTS. So I just built more kennels and kept them myself. My GSD's were both purchased from breeders after I tried to find one at a shelter and could not. I have no problem taking a rescue dog. However, even with almost 50 years of dog experience I still do not qualify to adopt from some since I have one of those dreaded underground fences. I don't have a problem with that since I understand that rules must be general and applied to all and some adults GSD's cannot be contained with such a fence. I prefer to train a puppy to the fence and could not find a young enough dog in rescue after my first died. I just couldn't stand to be without a GSD, so looked for a puppy via a breeder. Oddly enough none of the dozen or more GSD breeders I contacted ever even asked me about my facilites or if I had a fence. If I had my druthers, I'd rather have an old dogs, but have serious concerns about the invisible fence. Even so, next time I want another I will first take a look at the area pound puppies and hope I can give one of them a forever home.

Blitzen- Congrats on your rescue efforts. We need more correctly run rescues. But i agree about the underground fencing, I dont see a problem, I dont have fencing yet myself, but my dogs are trained and the fencing is going up here shortly. I got approved by 4 rescues with NO fence. I leash walked my dogs. Time cam help the rescues find you a puppy, and other rescues can be fine with the underground fences as well. But thanks for at least trying to find one in a shelter. But even so , old dogs can learn new tricks! It just might take them longer. You know memory loss and all! (k, bad joke..) Ok, so I will no longer mention Rhea's name or the name of her rescue, per her asking to do so. But if you all want to believe what we say, go help her. Go give her your time, not money but time. And you will see what I am talking about. Within a month you will all be contacting me to let me know about what you see, and hear. I will however continue to mention things related to what she has done, like the genetic thing, and FEAR biters, and types of fencing that work best for rescues. Blah Blah Blah. Tah Tah till later!

I honestly think that most who do rescue start off with only the best intentions. For some it just gets way out of control and they take on more than they can care for properly. I fully recall the morning I got out of bed and looked out my kitchen window and thought - where the hell did all those dogs come from??!!! I never bred another litter myself after that and didn't take on another dog for almost 3 years after the last of the "lovable misfits" died of old age. That was when I bought my first GSD. I guess there are times when one really does need to be cruel to be kind and just not try to keep every dog that needs a home. Sadly there will alwasy be those that are not adoptable and if space is at a premium, a tough decision needs to be made.

Yes, most rescues do start out with the best intentions. And can quickly lead to trouble. Many rescues are specific in what they take in and wnhat they dont. Like me. Working Line Rescue. With the OCCASIONAL other GSD. Then there are the Rescues that don't have the proper knowledge despite haveing a couple of the dogs themselves, that try to do good and fail. I know of a few rescues that acknowledge the fact that they are not all knowing, and DONT know the differences between the lines of GSDs and can identify them at sight. It took me a little bit, but I can now generaly tell the difference between them myself. I know how to properly evaluate a dog, specifically working line dogs, and feel confident in my ability to trust myself. Shoud there be ANY question about a temperment, nope sorry not allowed in my rescue. I dont have fears about PTS dogs that NEED to be PTS. I am NOT a trainer, and do not say so. I go to trainers for advice, and learn proper handeling. Not just one, but many. I am always open to learn new things (I am a pupil waiting to be taught, i LOVE to learn) and then USE the things I just learned. Not to just listen then say well sorry I only do things THIS way, even though it doesnt work. Rescues and those involved have to be able to say NO. No that dog is not adoptable, and cant come to my rescue. No that dog is too sick , and I dont have the isolation space to house that dog and keep the others protected. It is hard to say no for some people. Not for me. I know my limits, and yes its is true to be cruel to be kind. Sadly enough. I hope that when my rescue is up-n-runnin I can seek the help of the sport/K9 community to help the working line needy. All I can do right now is offer advice and the knowledge that I do have to those who need it until my rescue is official. (darn government papers..) If I dont know an answer to someones question, well I would hope that If i forwarded them on to the many knowledgeable people on this board about Working Line GSDs, they would help.

I'm done with this. Rescue is important. Rhea is doing a great job, just ask the many happy pet owners. Is her rescue perfect? No. Is any rescue perfect? No. How many dogs have been saved and rehomed to very happy pet owners. Lots! God be with all of the people on this board who work hard to rescue those innocent little lives. They count on us. If we work together and not against eachother, we can move mountains!

MasonMom why have you not called me , You said you would !!! Please do so my cell 937-572-5067 is on 24 hours a day so please call me as soon as you can . I would love for you to come out and see us train and see my kennel and dogs . I know I have offerd this to you one other time and you have not as of today taken me up on my offer . I am just right out side of Dayton Ohio in Brookville Ohio 45309 , please call me and lets talk and you can see how we train here . Thanks Timothy

no one said Rescue is NOT important . I do rescue and I train and import dogs I also breed one litter a year for schutzhund / sport / Police / Protection NO PETS !!! You said ( Rhea is doing a great job ) In Rhea own words on this board and others has said she is not doing a Great job , SHE is low in funds , has to many dogs , can fined people to help and so on . I have had over 400 dogs in my life time and I can show proff of this , I have also was the owner of a 100% wolf and wolf dog rescue for 10 years . I just have to put down one of my last male this year he was 100% wolf that was struck by a car and then brought to as a year old I had him in my kennel up till this april 2006 I do 2 other 100% that will live out the rest of their lives in my buddys ZOO ! . I have placed all my wolves in other rescues that keep the wolf for all their lives and one time I had 40 of them and I was USDA lic. to house them So I think I do know some what about rescue and all the had work that they all do . I also rescue many GSD and other working breeds and place them in police or SAR handlers hom fully trained at no cost to them . So yeas I think I know about rescue . Rhea is not doing a good job , I wish she was but with all the crap that is wrong I dont see her doing the right thing anytime soon . She thinks she can save them all and she has and will fail in doing so . As many dogs can and should not be saved and then re-homed to PET people who have a small idea how to take care of one of the GSD and Many other breeds that she works with, she says she can TALK with DOGS and THEY TELL HER THINGS , WHAT A WACKO ! I have proff of this on my voice mail , she call and told us that one of mercedes1005 dogs told her that I had him and he wanted to go to her home , I have now seen it all DOGS THAT TALK AND LOVE AND Missy's dog is her old RECARNATED AND SO ON ARE ALL THINGS SHE SAYS AND REALY THINKS IS TRUE ABOUT DOGS ! This chick is a wacko and a joke to the rescue world . I hope she starts to take some meds for her ssues BTW I AM STILL WAITING FOR YOUR PHONE CALL 937-572-5067