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by Dawulf on 21 October 2012 - 03:10
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=1673315
This dog's mother is 1-2 on Hartnagle's Hud... so would this dog not be a 2-3 on the same dog? Just trying to understand how it all works... This would be super inbred, IMO, since the fathers mother is a littermate of Hartnagle's Hud as well, but thats besides the point...
by hexe on 21 October 2012 - 06:10
Yes, the dog in question is -2,3 Hud on the maternal line. Not sure why the linebreeding shown with this pedigree doesn't include that... Not too familiar with the Australian Shepherd breed history, but from the looks of that pedigree, it would suggest that 'foundation stock' breeding was still the norm--when a breed is being 'established', there's bound to be a LOT of inbreeding; we see the same thing in the early years of the GSD, too.
Inbreeding/linebreeding is expressed by citing the generation a specific dog appears on the sire's side, followed by a dash, and then the generation that same dog appears on the dam's side. Dogs which appear multiple times on one parent's side, OTOH, are expressed by citing the closet generation first, followed by a comma, and then the next generation the same dog appears.
Inbreeding/linebreeding is expressed by citing the generation a specific dog appears on the sire's side, followed by a dash, and then the generation that same dog appears on the dam's side. Dogs which appear multiple times on one parent's side, OTOH, are expressed by citing the closet generation first, followed by a comma, and then the next generation the same dog appears.
by Dawulf on 21 October 2012 - 22:10
Thanks Hexe, I understand that there is a lot of inbreeding that goes into creating a breed.. I was just wondering if the dogs have to show up on both the sire AND dams pedigree to count or if it works for just one of the two as well... I have seen this on current GSD's pedigrees, but this was the dog I just happened to find for my example. I don't know a thing about the beginning of aussies either. :)
That was one reason I was attempting to copy Qira's pedigree into an Excel file, just to see how many times Hektor was in her pedigree, way back when (a little too bored on my part, LOL), but I wound up losing that file when I got my new computer and haven't attempted to re-do it yet.
That was one reason I was attempting to copy Qira's pedigree into an Excel file, just to see how many times Hektor was in her pedigree, way back when (a little too bored on my part, LOL), but I wound up losing that file when I got my new computer and haven't attempted to re-do it yet.
by Liberatore K9 on 22 October 2012 - 19:10
No, the dog in question is not linebred on Hartnagle's Hud, only his mother is. The only time the doubling up (or tripling or quadrupling, etc.) is considered linebreeding is if the dog appears both top and bottom on the pedigree in question. For instance, this dog is linebred 3-3,4 Taylor's Whiskey and 3-3,4 Taylor's Buena because both of those dogs are on the top and bottom of the pedigree, but he is not linebred on Hartnagle's Hud because that dog only appears on the bottom half of the pedigree.
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