What do you do about this? - Page 1

I wasn't going to post this because I do not want to slander anyone or cause a problem so I will not mention any names. You buy a top quality female in Germany and you and the breeder discuss who the stud will be and come up with 2 choices. Then when the female comes in season you get an e-mail the next day saying that I mated the female with X instead of A or B. No phone call too change plans or let me know that X was even an option. You pay for boarding and shows just because you want her to stay in Germany and be bred by the dog of your choice. Other than that I could have saved a few more thousand dollars and had her shipped asap instead of waiting to come in heat. What do you do?

Write a letter of protest to the SV stating what occured. Ask this person to refund you at least 1/2 of the stud fee. Some monetary refund seems reasonable.

No doubt there should have been a conversation if the chosen studs were not going to be used. The clock is ticking, by the time you had this discussion considering the time difference, would she still be in heat? It's not uncommon for a stud to be booked on the day you need to breed. So choice 1 and choice 2 may not have worked out for a number of reasons; already met their quota, they were booked, another dog the breeder liked better than yours took her place, yada, yada. It's not always esay to get the breeding you want when you want it. Especially if you select two males that are in demand. Hopefully you were able to get a good breeding with a male that will produce a quality litter for you.

Another German Scam. I keep records of all those kennels in Germany there have been issues with. All should do the same. K963 notify the people on this board as to who you were dealing with, also follow the Funkmans advice.

Vom Brunhaus I do not think it was a scam or anything just a bad decision or lack of consideration for what my goals were. Everything was going very well up until that point. Just wish the breeder would have asked me. There was no rush since she would have still been in heat even if he waited the next day. I think this breeder is a good kennel and a good person but just not very considerate at the time. I won't be as upset if he and I can make some compensation arrangement such as cancelling the boarding fee of 6 months or something like this.

I am very picky with my money and expect to get what I pay for and have agreed too.

...if someone had done all this for me what he has been done for you, a newbie who has come further with their first dog than most will in 5 or 10 years - I would say 'Thank You, especially for trying and going out of your way for doing all this for me, and lets see if we can get a breeding to that particular dog some other time'. Because there always is another time, another breeding. Not getting the choice stud dog when you need him is part of breeding. Bad timing. Too many bitches for one dog. End of the breeding season, full stud quotas. Poor communication. Unexpected stuff coming up. Its mostly Just Life. Happens even to the top breeders and judges right in Germany. Sometimes there just isn't anything you can do about it. But you can be grateful and respectful for what has been done already. Your female has significantly increased in value since you purchased her. Not because of you though... You would have never been able to do any of that by yourself. You would probably not even come close to having a shot at a high demand stud dog by yourself either. The money that you paid for boarding and for training and for showing and for taking a bitch to a stud is still very little in comparison for all the work that actually goes into it. Never take that for granted. Even if you have paid for it. Few of the people who do this need the money. They have jobs, many of them are very successful in their own right, outside the shepherds. The dogs are just perks. The money you pay is more like a Prize than a price. It makes them feel that what they do for You is worth something to You. That You value their effort, their knowledge, their passion, their pride and the success they produce for You. Most of it is still a labor of Love and much of it is considered a Favor. One can fall out of favor just as quickly...

K9-63-- Not hard to figure out what kennel you're dealing with--I agree with Dog1. (Actually, I was thinking the same when I saw his post.) Now, let me get this straight--You're really fine with the outcome, but ONLY if you can use the mix-up (stud) to your advantage. I'd give this a second thought, if I were you. I didn't feel the kennel was cheating you. And, after reading D,H.'s post---????

Sometimes there is a "culture clash" when things are done on the different sides of the Atlantic. I think K9-63 is grateful for the efforts of the kennel and does not think that the seller was out to intentionally screw him, from reading his post. I would guess with the unknown purchase price of the female plus the other charges he mentioned(also unknown), he just wanted to be in the "loop", so to speak. In our high tech world of internet/email avilability, cell phones, ect., I hear(I am assuming now), K9-63 saying, "I could have been kept abreast of what was going on". People on the North American continent want some measure of "service" when they turn loose of their money, not just the "product". The breeder, of a totally different mind set, being "seasoned" and of another culture, was maybe thinking, "Plan A and B have fallen through, so I have got to come up with another plan, in a very small window, or time frame." Making a phone call was not high on his list of priorities, as he navigated through solving the problem. Here between these two lines of thinking is what I refer to as a culture clash. No one intentionally trying to screw the other, but the other feeling he is just on the end of the train caboose with his dollars just flying out of his pockets, all over the countryside. Good luck with your upcoming litter, hope it all works out for you. Stephen

Well it has all worked out for the best! The breeder has knocked off $600 from what was owed to him. Since dealing with this breeder I have had nothing but good and this one incident hasn't changed my mind about him. He did what he thought was best. I will continue to use this breeder in the future because he has just proven to me why I love his program. Not just because of his dogs but because of who he is as a person.