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by Niya on 06 November 2006 - 16:11

I would like to know your opinion on how breeding female with one soft ear will affect puppies .What I mean is If to go to the male from the lines that have a very strong ears.I know it genetic, and it not right even think about breeding, but I just want to know what the odds are.I did spayed this female, so please no lectures.

by Do right and fear no one on 06 November 2006 - 17:11

This brings up an interesting question. Just how good does a dog have to be in order to be good enough to breed? Is it okay, as your question suggests, to breed dogs with faults if you match them up with dogs that have a good chance of eliminating or weakening those faults? Should only dogs rated above V100 be bred? Or above SG20? What would be the criteria for determining if your dog is good enough to be bred? The opinion of others? Your own desires or opinion? If this site is any indication of what dogs "should" be bred, I guess we would have to eliminate breeding practically all (or for sure all) showlines. Should a non titled dog be bred, even if a dozen people who are famaliar with GSD's think he/she is high quality? Should a stud dog be used anymore that has already produced two hundred progeny, or has he contributed enough to his species? Should a decent GSD be bred that has a wonderful personality, temperment and health, just for the home pet market, with no intention of producing Sch III quality dogs? I am sure that most will say that a GSD dog needs to at the very least be titled and have no major faults according to the GSD standard of the SV. Some will say of the AKC standard as a minimum. Some will "if you have to ask, your dog ain't good enough" or "you don't have enough knowledge to be breeding GSD's in the first place". Personally, I think it is okay to breed a soft ear dog to a line that may help in that department, if the dog is otherwise qualified (refer to the thousand questions asked above). After all, we don't breed our own race with only those that are qualified (been tried and failed), and we invented the cell phone, X-Box 360, contact lenses, the wheel and the best invention of them all, the Pooper Scooper :)

Bob-O

by Bob-O on 06 November 2006 - 23:11

Niya, Do Right and Fear No One makes some good points. Is a dog automatically disqualified for breeding because of a soft ear? Forgive me, but another question; Is a dog automatically disqualified for breeding if it has "a"3 noch Zugelassen hips, a ZW of 130, and a Kkl2 rating? I could go on with hypothetical questions but I see no reason to do so. Which would you (or I or anyone else) consider to be a worse fault? Which one (1) could be more easily "corrected" or at least minimalized by the selection of a strong mate that really stamps themself on the progeny? I guess it depends on what you want to produce, and whether you can select a mate who will produce so strongly that the fault of the other can be virtually erased. After I finish this post, there will no doubt be those who appear and really rip you to pieces for simply asking your question. Look past their remarks, and I think that you will eventually answer the question yourself. Bob-O

by ALPHAPUP on 07 November 2006 - 01:11

in really -- this GSD thing about breeding dogs with title in reality makes no sense and if you want to be truthful -- do you really or do you wish just to turn your heads ?? -- then -- consider -- the results posted for the NASS ... several dogs fdailed the bite work and were not shown .. now come opn .. they were titled dogs .. am i correct ??... ready to show ... must have had at least SG or v rated structure .. most lkely V -- so are they breed worthy ?? IMO ... i don't care about the Sch title for not all GSDs need to be designated true protection dogs .. they can quite suited for S&R , therapy ,seeing eye service , scent detectors and herding which are quite valuable -- so .. a ttled dog .. and it can';t even pass the prelim protection phase -- what a laugh -- just to say it can show -- : IMO this whole thing about t5he GSD -- has polluted the breed and is a pile of hypocrisy !! also -- you can register a dog with GSDCA-WDA or Sch USA if sch titled but if the GSD has a ring title belgium , french , KNVP etc -- these entties do not consider the progeny registrable -- please --stop the hypocrisy and give me a break

Bob-O

by Bob-O on 07 November 2006 - 01:11

Excellent post Alpha. What is the worth of a title if the dog does not have core competency? Nothing, in my opinion. And what is wrong with the GSD who does not have a Schutzhund title but excels at other work? Nothing in my opinion. And finally, what is wrong with a non-titled non-working GSD who is correct and structure and temperament and whose sole purpose in life is to just be an excellent family companion? Nothing in my opinion. We get so hung up on Schutzhund titles and consider nothing else for that this breed is qualified to do and do well. Schutzhund work done well is wonderful work-no argument there. But it is not the be-all-end-all, and needs to not be a pass/fail for our favourite dog. Just Bob's opinions, Bob-O

VomFelsenHof

by VomFelsenHof on 07 November 2006 - 17:11

(These are not questions for you to answer, just as things for everyone to think about) I would say that you must look at the overall dogs you are breeding. What are you trying to improve in the breed? Or if you are not trying to improve the breed, why are you breeding? Why are the ears soft? Was the dog around children who might have pulled and pulled on the ears? Could the dog have been attacked by another dog, thus resulting in the ear injury? How are the ears of the parents and siblings of this dog? Only YOU can decide what is appropriate for you. For a while, I was one of those who looked down on people who were breeding obviously (disqualifying) faulty dogs purposely. Then I realized, who am I to tell others what to do or how to do it? By the same token, who are others to tell me how to breed? Some working line people may think showline dogs shouldn't be bred and vice versa. I honestly have respect for both show and working dogs, as each have their purpose. Do not let others decide for you what is best for you. That is something you must figure out for yourself. :) Good posting!





 


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