Breeder doesn't care if AKC info is stolen?! - Page 1

So the other day, while browsing around online, I came across a GSD breeder's website where they posted their dogs' AKC certificates for everyone to see.  I sent the breeder an email suggesting they may want to either take the certificates off their website or block certain info on the certificates to prevent unethical breeders from using that info to register false litters (or perhaps even make forged copies of the certificates)
For those of you who don't know, the date that a dog was registered with AKC is sensitive information that is used when registering litters or transferring ownership (and more) this date is in the lower right side of the AKC registration certificate. 

Anyhoo, apparently this breeder didn't give a rat's @ss if anyone else used their dogs' AKC info for unethical reasons.  This is the response I got
"It is hard to sell dogs. And if someone buys into a false situation that's there fault."

I already figured the breeder was a BYB, they just had 1 breeding pair of dogs, no info on their pedigrees online beyond the names of their sires and dams, no health testing, nothing other than a fancy website with one male and one female AKC registered German Shepherds with absolutely no proof that they were breed worthy, not even good photos of their breeding dogs.

Just a breeder sinking to a new low I hadn't seen before, not even caring if another breeder steals their dogs' info.  Sort of like not caring if someone steals your child's SS number IMO (ok, not nearly as bad...but along the same lines)

Nice of you to inform the breeder of possible problems - but why come on here and bash them?  

You seemed to have cared enough to inform them, but when you didnt get a response to say - oh thank you Lone Ranger - great god-the keeper of akc registrations for helping me  - you turned on them?   After all - you road up on your white horse to save them.  So if they dont appreciate it - I will get you and your little doggy too.......

You should have taken the high road - not the low road.

Just my opinion though......

Yogie

Another damned if they do, damned if they don't.  People these days expect breeders to be 100% transparent and have all information and records available at the drop of a hat yet if they do I guess that means they don't care if people try to steal registration (how the heck would that work anyway?).

AKC will sell you the pedigree to anyone's dog you want for 10 dollars each. It contains the owner's personal info such as home address. Someone tried to stalk my info  by buying past dogs they thought I owned only they mispelled the names and luckily got the wrong ones. I was infuriated upon learning that AKC would do this, that they sold three to this crazy woman to try to find my home info. I am glad I have a very common name, something I never before found value in :) I have since learned people should use po boxes for their dog registrations to avoid this issue. People have also tried to steal other people's dog by forgeing sigs, and also other ways. Really posting that info is not a harm as they can do anything they want to in the wrong if they have the will to do so anyhow.

It's not the AKC pedigree that anyone can order that is sensitive info.  But, Newbie, you're right about protecting your personal address too. 
However, when someone orders a dog's pedigree info from AKC, what does NOT come with it is the "certificate issued" date, all the rest of the info on an AKC registration certificate is public, only the CI date is private.  The certificate issued dates are needed when registering litters of puppies, if someone got their hands on a male's CI date (as well as the rest of the AKC info) then they could falsify AKC litter registration easily. 

As far as actually stealing a dog's AKC registration, I heard a story once about how someone forged AKC registration certificates (had to do with Labradors) and then transferred (or tried too?) dogs into their name.  I do not know if they were actually successful or not, but I imagine that it could be done if someone knew all the info on a dog's certificate. 
I'm now super careful with my dogs' certificates and I don't allow anyone to see them unless I'm actually selling a dog.  It does mortify me when I see registration certificates online without any of the info blocked. 
 

Thanks for the info. I am not a breeder, nor do I purchase many dogs to have heard things like that yet and it is important to know. I do know of people like a rottweiler friend who someone forged docs on in a theft attempt from AKC and know that does happen. I love hearing of these topics and learning to protect ourselves from the unbalanced and the fraudulant.

    Perhaps a sticky on protecting yourself and ideas like this is a good idea. Loopholes in the systems that can be exploited and the power of knowledge to close them from being used against people.

Maybe this breeder stole the information themselves. . . . LOL

lol Beetree. 
thats a good idea, GSDNewbie, but it would be an awfully long list too, I imagine.  I only know this info about AKC papers, I don't know how it is with SV, KC, CKC (Canadian), UKC, etc. registries.