Breed surveys Comformation and AD - Page 1

OK HELP I am new to all this I have a show in March coming up and I would like to get my male and female Breed survey What all is involved? Can I still show in Comfortion and what about AD? how fast does the rider have to ride? Second What about the score book I just read that some do not honor others club titles. How do you know? Which club to pick? So is there a video out there that explains all this and helps me get ready or do I have to join a club ( Ipersonally would like to do it on my own if possible) Thanks

A breed surveys a major undertaking and the culmination of all the certifications needed prior to breeding under the SV system. To enter the survey, the dog must have BH AD Working title - Schh1 or HGH minimum Hip certification Conformation rating from 12 - 24 months class or working class - ie with title The AD is 12 miles, run 3 - 4 - 5 with 20 minute breaks. Pads and condition are evaluated at each break by the judge. I am not sure of time limit - but there is one... Scorebooks are a political thing....both organizations must recognize titles from SV judges no matter what organization....USA will issue their own scorebook if you only have a WDA one.

OK Breed survey out at this time LOL We are working on Hips now as they are nearing the age. What is the difference between a working comformationa and a 12-24 month comformation? What is the age for the AD? THANKS Kougar!

Under VDH Rules, Public authority service dogs with Service Dog (DH) titles or dogs with a Herding Title (HGH), do not have to show proof of having passed a BH test before entering in a schutzhund trial. USA breed survey requirements (in United States of America) and SV breed survey requirements (in Germany), The requirements for the AD, BH, and SchH/IPO/VPG working title are waived for dogs with the HGH (Herding) title. Brian DeBow

Psygod Why is that?

I do not have a text book answer to reference for you. I can give you an answer from what I have seen, experienced and formed my own opinion on. The HGH dogs are talented and extremely hard working dogs. The HGH title is a working title equivalent to a SchH title for breed surveys. The HGH title is a working title equivalent to a SchH2 for conformation shows. The HGH title is not a title to be taken lightly. In order for a dog to earn and be awarded an HGH title, sometimes after years of arduous training, their high level of endurance and obedience is demonstrated during the difficult, strenuous and mentally challenging tasks they perform in the HGH trial. The HGH dogs work hard and do so much for their title, that is why I believe the AD and BH are not required prerequisites for the breed survey of a dog with an HGH title.

EK - there is only ONE club in the US who offers the HGH....in NJ, now relocating to Finger Lakes area of NY...I know of 1 dog who is dual titled - Sunshine's Galaxy - a VERY VERY accomplished dog - with BH and Schh3 titles, who has been shown at the Sieger show in Germany, and is entered this year at NASS. I was not aware that an HGH did not need a BH either to enter a schutzhund trial...but for koer????? The koer requirements are always listed as above when I have seen them. In any case, you can see that these stringent requirements are a great deal to accomplish before breeding.

Not sure of age for the AD, but I had a female in Germany this year that took her AD on 31 May 06 and the BH(must be 15 months) on 1 July 06 and she was 17 months at the time. Stephen

To back up Psygod's explanation, the HGH is not a simple herding title such as the one issued by the AKC. Rather than herding a handful of ducks, goats, or sheep for a few minutes under three (3) different judges, the dog must protect and herd a large flock of sheep under direction from the shepherd and without direction from the shepherd. That a dog can do this all day is absolute proof of temperament, endurance, and work drive. Bob-O

The minimum age for the BH is 15 months. The minimum age for the AD is 16 months and a maximum of 6 years old. ADs should not be taken lightly. A dog should be trained and worked properly to not take a chance of injuring the dog. Also, the maximum temperature when the AD can take place is at 72 degrees F. Above this and again, the dog is at higher risk. As Kougar has already pointed out, there are other requirements before one can attempt a Breed Survey. While not impossible to do some of this alone, it is almost impossible to train your dog to a Schutzhund level without the benefit of a decoy, at the very least, assisting you. But if you do not already have the BH for the dog, and are not getting the HGH title, that is probably what you can be focusing on. It would help you a lot, unless you have a lot of experience, to find a club and at the very least, go watch them so you know what the requirements are for the BH and Schutzhund titles. Good luck.