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by bondos mom on 01 July 2009 - 03:07

I have heard the terms "longcoat" and "plush coat"....are they the same thing, or is a plush coat more "fuzzy' with hair not as long as a longcoat? thanks

by starrchar on 01 July 2009 - 15:07

It depends on who you ask, but here is my understanding:

A plush coat is shorter than a long coat or long stock coat, but more plush or longer than a standard coat.
A long stock coat has a longer coat, with tufts in the ears, feathers on the feet and has an undercoat.
A true long coat has a longer coat that will actually part in the middle of the back , has tufts in the ears, feathers on the feet and has no undercoat.

I have seen a wide range of the length of hair on both the long stock coats and long coats.

by VKFGSD on 03 July 2009 - 12:07

Sorry duplicate post

by VKFGSD on 03 July 2009 - 12:07

1. there is NO such thing as a "plush" GSD.
2. "Plush" is a designation created in the last half dozen years primarily by hi-line breeders to cover offspring with open and/or marginal long coats ( both faults so we created a new name and walla sell them to innocent newbies)
3. Starcharr - you are much to limited in your description of coats with the GSD breed. There is a wide variability not only in coat length but the presence or absence of ear tufts, feathers on feet or legs etc. I have seen full coats w/ no ear tufts or feet feathers and dogs with a pretty regular coat but ear tufts or leg feathers and everything in between. My personal view is that there is more than one gene involved and it is not necessarily the simple mendalian inheritance most seem to think ( tho some coats are but not all) . I think this is supported by how hard it was to eliminate the coat population even after the SV DQ them.

by starrchar on 03 July 2009 - 15:07

VFKGAD,
I agree that I didn't give a detailed description, but time was short when I was writing the post. You are 100% right- there are MANY variables!!!! I think the issue of plush coats is very controversial though and you could ask ten different "knowledgable" people and get 10 different opinions. The explanation I gave is the one I have most often read and heard. As you noticed, I prefaced my explanation with "It depends on who you ask". Truthfully it doesn't matter to me as I do love the coats, no matter what length, feathers or no feathers, tufts or no tufts, but the one thing that remains extremely important that they have an undercoat. You are obviously very knowledgable and I appreciate your comments.
The best,
Char

by kitkat3478 on 03 July 2009 - 16:07

This is T-Bone. A long coat, with an undercoat. he has no ear tufts, and no excessive hair between his toes. Both parents are normal coats.

   This is Sophie, also a long coat with ALOT less coat than T. No ear tufts and alot less leg hair. Both parents long coats.
    And this is Rufus. Long coat. He is what I would describe as a PLUSH coat, due to the fact he IS very plush, but long coat no matter what. he also DOES NOT have ear tufts,or excessive hair between his toes.(I've had people stop and ask if he was a bear in my yard).
    these are 3 very distict and different coats, ALL Long Coats in my opinion!
    can anyone post a pic of what REALLY is Stock coat???

by starrchar on 03 July 2009 - 18:07

KitKAt- All your dogs are beautiful! I would tend to call them all long stock coats (if they have undercoats). My Shelby is a long stock coat and her coat looks more like Sophie's, but she has ear tufts and feathers in between her toes. I've had people call her a plush coat though. Her picture is on my avatar, but you can't really see that she is a LC. I wonder if the SV has a detailed description as to how to identify standard, plush and Long stock coat and where the "lines" are drawn. It should be very interesting now that the SV is going to start allowing the long stock coats in 2010 and are going to have separate show rings for the the standard and long coats. We'll see how they categorize them because as you said, there are many variations with the long coats. The long coated dogs with ear tufts and feet feathers will be easy to categorize, but what about all the others, such as your T-Bone. I have a feeling it could cause a lot of controversy because it seems that there are many different opinions as to what clearly indentifies a long stock coat!! Are they going to start measuring the hair length which of course changes seasonally LOL. I personally am just thrilled the SV is no longer banning the long stock coats.

by triodegirl on 04 July 2009 - 19:07

Yup, there will be much controversy over the definittion of a longcoat. These are my 2 longcoats, Bella and Trigger. BIG difference. Bella's coat is short except for a bit of extra fluff around her face. I call her carrot top :-) And Trigger looks like a sheepdog. Even his tuffs have tuffs. LOL

by Sunsilver on 04 July 2009 - 20:07

Yep, I agree. There is a LOT of variation. My stock coat GSD female has tiny tufts at the base of her ears, about 1/2 in. long. She has very sparse undercoat along her spine, but the guard hairs on her belly form a long fringe, with some of the hairs being over 3" in length! (She inerited that from her sire.)

by GSD Justice on 05 July 2009 - 01:07

Not really. Only in the Shiloh world.

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