Do Not Sell List - Page 2

What's kinda comical about BilJenBec's post is that she makes a statement about slander, yet the only slanderous statements come from her, directed at me.  There's some irony for ya LOL.

There are buyers who do not treat dogs properly that people should share knowledge about whenever they can.  There are several possible scenarios in which I can think of but you can use your imagination.  It's wonderful when a fellow local breeder calls me to warn of a crack pot shopping for a dog, can site rational non biased reasons why they disproved a sale...saves me LOTS of headaches, saves the dog a life in hell.  The bottom line is the breeders get to decide who they sell to.  If someone has made the do not sell list the breeder still has the option to check references, visit the person's home, talk to their vet...whatever.  Noone has to take anyone's word for anything.

Just for the record, the do not sell list still resides privately within a small network of breeders.  I did get responses of people interested in getting the list.  My worry wasn't for slanerous reasons but for people looking to place pups and not caring where they would end up...in other words I worried some would use it as a marketing list.  I never heard from anyone I specifically thought would do that but the thought did cross my mind.

This thread died over a year ago...as it should have.

BilJenBec, I'm still looking for that apology.  I didn't have anything to do with you bad night/bad mood.

Sue-Ann

I'd like to add a few points 1) The idea sounds conspiratorial to me. 2) I'd suggest that if the Original Poster isn't old enough to have studied the "McCarthy Era" in American politics while a school-girl that she take some time to read up on the subject and to ponder the lessons that could be learned about the notion of a "blacklist". 3) If that period of time doesn't ring true as a potent metaphor, perhaps she'd AT LEAST take an hour or so and read the play "The Children's Hour" by Lillian Hellman (or "The Crucible" by Arthur Miller) Quick reads, salient messages. 4) If one doesn't feel confident that they can find appropriate homes for puppies without a network of suspicios co-operators, then perhaps one shouldn't take it upon themselves to produce dogs to sell. 5) This point has been made - but - I'd like to rephrase it. Accusation of guilt is NOT the same as guilt. - Yet accusation alone often exacts a heavy toll on the innocent. One would think ANY compassionate, educated person would understand the trail of tears that have been enacted upon the falsely accused by the self-righteous of this world.

Everyone among breeders discusses clients or known people who should not own a dog.   It happens and so it should.  Noone is consdered guilty and we are a very far cry from Mccarthy Times.  We're being WAY over dramatic here.

Wishing everyone a wonderful and peaceful holiday season...

Sue-Ann ---

Sue Ann,

Please do not hold your breathe, as NO APOLOGY will come.  I don't write here often, but I was emailed this thread last nite, and due to what I know of you personally, I said what I did, and it is not slander, I have facts.

I will apologize to the forum as I didn't notice the date, had a horrible day at work, I work with Alzheimer patients, and was a rough day/night with a new client.  I thought that Sue Ann wanted to start a bad breeder list. 

Anyone that sells/gives/leases/whatever with dogs should beware of everyone, even your best friend can stab you in the back............

If it wasn't for so many breeders we wouldn't be able to pick who we want to buy from.  I myself am not into it anymore as there are WAY TO MANY DOGS TO LOVE AND WORK in shelters and such.  We are greedy and all think we have the most wonderful dogs, and we do, but there is enough around, we need to stop so much breeding, but then who will WARDEN that?

Years ago, when I did have a litter I had a nice sincere man call me from another state, wanted a puppy, I wanted to talk to his wife, when I did, I heard her slurring and bad lanuguage and such, so he got back on the phone and admitted she was an alcoholic, I would not sel them a pup, my choice, as owner of the dogs, I used to talk with people for hours and grill them, but then I am not a HUGE KENNEL with many dogs that I breed, so I took the time to do that.,

In the end, you can talk to the most sane person and think your puppy will be fine, and you get a call 3 years down the road that they ran it over, or a car hit it when it jumped a gate, or whatever.

As for a bad buyer list again, let the owner beware, do your homework and pray alot.

Biljenbec

Do not sell list, breeders to not go to..........both a no no. Sue Ann, you did misinterput my posts, they were directed at a wrong interputation on my part, I thought you wanted to start a bad breeders list, and either would be a bad thing, EXCUSE ME, no sarcasm meant. If you and your friends have a list together, so be it, but to publish it on a website, no, that would not be a good thing. You have nice dogs, and have done some nice breedings, but would love to see your pedigrees again on your website, so we can see what you are breeding now. You have a blog thing, not a website now, and you had a great dog Osa that produced nice dogs. Happy Holidays to All Again my apologizes to the forum, I will go back to my lurking tree now. Biljenbec

I think it's a pretty good idea, Sue Ann. I have no problem in steering people towards or away from certain breeders, why shouldn't breeders who are friendly keep each other aware of possible bad puppy buyers?

I agree Sueincc. Our pedigrees are available to people who request them. If someone can visit they are welcome to view originals. If they prefer they can be emailed. Thanks for the clarification about what you meant BilJenBec. I appreciate the comment. Sue-Ann

sueincc: I have no problem in steering people towards or away from certain breeders, why shouldn't breeders who are friendly keep each other aware of possible bad puppy buyers? I agree. The dog-world is a community, and no kennel can stand on it's own. Breeders work with other breeders, and thus establish a network of referals (though we used to do it all by phone before e-mail). Being able to steer people towards reputable breeders, and away from the disreputable ones used to be part of the responsibility in being a breeder. It also became very important when it came to finding new blood to outcross your lines to. By this reasoning, I think that maintaining a list of breeders to avoid is good idea in theory. It is my belief that reputable kennels would not have their names tarnished by such a list because their clientel and referals already work for them. The list would primarily hurt kennels with little to no reputation (primarily back yard and hobbiest breeders), or those without a loyal customer following. Any good kennel with an established breeding program should be able to produce reference contacts to prospective clients. If they have a website, a guestbook is a good thing. -- big red flag to me: Breeders who mis-spell the name of their own dogs on their website! --