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by Franck on 12 October 2006 - 03:10
Hello
Discover the opinion of Fred Lanting about the BSZS 2006 directly at this adress
http://www.aniwa.fr/en/chien/Grand_Public/document/102350/126426/index.htm
Best regards
FH
www.aniwa.com

by Bob-O on 12 October 2006 - 04:10
Franck, thanks for the link. As usual, Fred removed the gloves and fought a bare-knuckled fight to present and describe the truth.
Fred understands, many of us understand; why cannot the judges of the S.V. understand?
Just a rant,
Bob-O
by Kenan on 12 October 2006 - 12:10
Mr. Lanting said it all.
As for why SV judges do not undrestand it I think most of us know, it is repeated every year, dogs with poor character test and no progeny group get VA just because they happen to be owned by right person.
5 years ago I refused to believe in what I have just said but now.....
by sunshine on 12 October 2006 - 17:10
I see the protection test an opportunity for the breeders to judge for themselves the character of the dog. It is pass fail.
Unfortunately, the German - English translation at the BSZS leaves something to be desired. The extent of the critique of the judge is not translated fully neither the analysis of how many of the progeny are being exhibited in the Working Class. It is unfortunate for non-German speakers.
I believe this year Judge Schwedes said that he also based his selection on the bite work of the bitches.
In the December issue of the SV magazine, very detailed accounting and critiques can be read. For instance the considerable high percentage of Lauser progeny who received hip rating "A" how many dogs are in the working class is specially mentioned with dogs that have produced a high ratio.
I am sure there are other sources where one can obtain a more detailed picture on any particular dog.
I am not arguing one way or another just posting what I perceive as also a newbie in the sport. Most breeders in Germany do appear to know the short comings of certain lines and combine them where others have strengths in that particular area.

by Bob-O on 12 October 2006 - 20:10
Sunshine, I remember many years ago when I was new to the sport. I then was under the impression that the VA-1 (as well as other VA's) were supposed to be the toughest-biting, hardest-hitting, best moving, and most sound of mind dogs who were lucky enough to have the conformation to present themselves as an animal of beauty and one who proved how well they produced.
It just bothers me when a dog is able to join this ultra elite class and sometimes have very few progeny to present or show to be a bit weak during the protection testing. And yes it is extremely stressful for the dog and handler to be under so much pressure at the world show.
You are correct that observant spectators and breeders see all of these things if they are willing to watch the entire show. And from that they can make intelligent decisions as far as who really "has it all". Realizing that it would make the selection of the final choices more difficult if one had to weigh all of the qualities, I just wish the judges would take all things into consideration. Perhaps they do, and I just cannot agree with them.
Still on a rant,
Bob-O
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