Opinions on Possible future breeding - Page 1

Doing homework for my next possible breeding and seeing what people think. I saw the stud dog here on the data base. I do not own him, know him or even spoken to the owner. i am looking for people with experience with these lines and what they may see. Thank you Dennis

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/para.utkoma?fadir=602659&modir=645458 

half siblings?
no.

    I have to agree with Moons, NO!

You mean cousins (or quarter sibs), not half sibs.

You'll probably have a lot of interest in this breeding.  I've had more inquiries and commitments on my proposed sire-to-daughter breeding than any other, a breeding that's not expected to occur until spring 2013.  I might need to push the date up sooner.

I would NEVER say "no", just because it were a close linebreeding, and that reason alone.  My Faro Policia was more inbred than this.  I might take a female, if ya wanna do a puppy swap ;-)

the no sayers because of inbreeding dont know anough about linebreeding or this pedigree to judge I guess
eros and ellute are brothers on paper , but geno and fenotype very different dogs ,so to bring any consistensy in breeding I would prefer to see linebreeding over ellute instead of ellute/eros , or even less eros/eros ,  only problem I see is the genetic problems in this line waiting to show up for you , but with further selection and linebreeding you can get past that

good luck , based on names the pups will sell easy 

The line breed looks really nice to me actually, as said given the big hitting names I doubt this litter would struggle to find buyers.

Coming from another breed where linebreeding and the occasional inbreeding is accepted and encouraged, I would have no problems with this pedigree per se provided the related dogs are both breedworthy specimens. I would not base that evaluation on titles alone, the phenotype of the dogs and their production records would be the deciding factor for me.

IMO you must also be prepared to cull the litter and place the puppies accordingly. By cull, I do not mean "kill", I mean be very, very selective in how you evalute the litter and keep only the best puppy or puppies if you are fortunate enough to get more than one good one. The others should be placed with non-breeding contracts.

If the pup you keep turns out to be breedworthy, then you will probably not want to go back into the same line again. I would look for a mate that was linebred on different lines that had a history of producing dogs with the qualities you want to breed for.

I have never quite understood all the objections to linbreeding GSD's. Some seem to equate linebreeding in  the dog world to having sex with one's own cousin or half sib. Inspite of what most breeding experts in the US say about the virtue of descrete linebreeding, it still seems that most GSD litters are  the result of generations of outcrossing followed by questions about why the litter isn't consistent at maturity. Maybe it's a German thing? 

 

Since when is there a gene that programs for homosexual necrophiliac cannibalistic psychopathic killing behavior?!  Certainly wouldn't inbreed on that, assuming that childhood abuse, bad parenting, head trauma, fetal alcoholism and drug addiction had no influence whatsoever.  Keep in mind, Dahmer began with remote fantasies about those actions at age fourteen, around sexual maturity, and I wouldn't be so sure that all chemical and hormonal imbalances are always of genetic origin, but can also occur during prenatal development.

Duke1965 said, "eros and ellute are brothers on paper , but geno and fenotype very different dogs"

--- Could you please elaborate a bit on this?  I know that you can observe the dogs and see that their phenotype is very different, but you've got me confused about the genotype comments.  Since each organism gets half its genes from mom and half from dad, and mom and dad both have two sets of genes from which to choose, I guess I'm confused as to how genotypes between full siblings can be that different.  I had a couple of bio classes and we covered basic mendelian genetics, meiosis, etc, but there's always more to learn.