Mix workingline with showline - Page 1

Would be interesting to hear your oppinion about this.
And maybe you can give me some examples.

Hi Nicky, this  has been discussed a few times here before.
Here is another thread on it.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/bulletins.read?mnr=158930&pagen=1

If you do a search, you will find more. :)

I do a fair amount of wl/sl crosses. Some work out some don't. Here is one example that has worked well:   
Pedigree:  http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=537049
There is some connection to this breeding, in Sagus B.S. - The sire has him in the 6th generation and the dam has him in 5/4. Some say 6 generations is too far back to count, but with the dam being line bred on him I think it does make a difference. The ones that haven't turned out as well have been mostly conformation wise. Drives seems to be improved and nice across the board, but I do start out with sl that have good drives and temperament to begin with. Consistency seems to be the biggest hurdle, because most have such a wide open gene pool. The previous mentioned breeding had very good consistency even when repeated. I don't think that just "any" wl/sl cross is good or will work. As in anything else, research is the key. Research into what each particular line is producing and not just what your particular dog exhibits as weaknesses and strengths. Debby.
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My foundation female was a mix of working and show lines (West German).  I bought her as a puppy and raised/trained her HOT to SchH3 IPO3 Kkl2 and lots of other titles.  Here is her pedigree.  http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=120782

Not only was she a great working dog for me (went from zero to 3x SchH3 and IPO3 without ever failing anything, with a newbie novice handler!), she could do it all.  She did some herding, conformation, agility, AKC ob, therapy stuff, did lots of demos and was a great PR dog.  But most importantly she produced well too!  AND she had health and longevity!  She lived a long healthy active 14 years!  She was able to run and play up until the very end - AND do bitework!  She was not a fluke either, she had another sister who was SchH titled and two brothers who were police dogs.

I bred her to working line males and kept a daughter of hers.  http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=124865

She also is a SchH3 and is still going strong at over 9 years old!  Both Libby and Brat produced SchH dogs, Police dogs, SAR dogs, service dogs, performance dogs, great pets. 

I bred Brat to a mostly working line male (who has 1/4 show on the bottom of his pedigree) and kept a female from that litter. 
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=492183

Drama is now SchH1 Kkl1... I hope to finish her SchH2/3 next year after puppies.  I have had such great success with these dogs/lines including health, temperament, working ability and structure!  Good hips/elbows, low ZW's, Drama is also CERF'd eyes and DM clear. 

Anyway, that is my example and why I am not against breeding working and show lines together. 

GSD2727,
It is very nice to see someone who trains, titles then breeds, holds back pups and titles those dogs as well.  Many breeders show their dogs but very few breeders actually train and title their own dogs, not to mention their pups.  Kudos to you.

Jim

Jim, Thank you!  I am looking forward to hopefully keeping a pup out of my Drama as well... I am also fortunate that my sister is involved in the breed and trains in SchH as well.  She has a littermate to my current female that she is also training and titling.  He is a super nice dog who will be going for his SchH3 next year also.  I am very proud of my dogs and what they have accomplished so far, hope to have more accomplishments in the future.

Valerie

Djc what a beautiful dog!

I am actually planning a cross breeding late next yr. I want to keep a female back as well to train and hopefully continue breeding with. I am hoping to strengthen drive and nerve. The male is a solid rock with mucho drive. Theresa

My 8 year old working line female was bred to a west German show line male before I owned her.  I believe the litter had four puppies and I know three of them are heavily involved in agility, two at MACH/CATCH level.  One is also titled in conformation, herding, tracking, obedience, and rally obedience.  I've never met the male, but the female I titled in SDA obedience, rally obedience, and agility and also did an AHBA herding seminar, ATTS temperament test, CGC, and therapy dog evaluation.