What constitutes a "Valuable Breeding Animal" (Female)? - Page 1

In the opinion of the breeders/readers here (while considering the current puppy market in the US), what constitutes a Valuable Breeding Bitch? 

Would you consider a bitch that is too young to OFA, untitled, with a good pedigree but out of an untitled Mother (as in not breed surveyed, no SchH 1 etc. but OFA'd good) by a world class sire a "Valuable breeding animal?" 

Would you only consider her a valuable breeding animal if she titled and breed surveyed and was OFA'd?  Or would you still be reserved on this until her mother also titled and Breed Surveyed ?

I would look right through the motherline on her maternal side and see the history.

So lets say she is out of an untitled bitch, whose dam is titled and surveyed, and the previous two bitches are untitled..... and then titles start to show up (Mother line) back at generation 5 and 6..... but nothing past SchH 1....  

Way too many variables on that question Rass.  I like to see the Dam side solid with titles and not just a Sch 1.  But who knows she could be the bitch of all bitches.  With breeding it is so hard to tell.  But all health tests must be in order or I would pass. Nicest brood bitch I ever saw was an ugly ( and I mean ugly) female that looked like a male, she threw GORGEOUS pups that titled practically by themselves. She wasnt valuable, she was priceless.....

As you asked the readers of this forum you will get many different answers.
For me only a healthy, at least 24 months old female with certified hips, at least titled with SchH/IPO I, female that passed a breed survey (Koerung) is breed worthy.
There are too many dogs on the world already, my personal opinion. As a "working dog" person, I wouldn't breed a dog unless her hips are great and she would have a minimum of IPO II and breed survey.

Unless I personally know the dog and see something magical in her (very doubtful if she is not surveyed and titled) that I think is so very rare and I am salivating at the lines in the sire...No way would I even think about buying a puppy out of that dog.  There are too many dogs who are proven, surveyed with a stamp or excellent hips and elbows to take a chance on a dog like that.  Also, I would be suspicious that there must have been a problem or the proper standards of breeding would have been followed-and even then it is a partial crapshoot that what you seek will be in the progeny.

Research the breed standards, when you find a bitch that meets all the criteria then you have found a worthy bitch.
OFA is a step in the right direction but not the only health issue to look for.
Look at the animal and not so much at the paperwork.
Titles are not all they seem.
Moons.

Bear in mind it's almost impossible to title a show dog in the US. Take a look at the number of show dogs that are titled in the US. It's only a handfull when you compare them to the number of dogs here.

Moons is correct. Titles are not what they seem. Especially in a show dog. A person I know bought a SchH1 female from Germany. They wanted it to be a SchH2. No problem. Two weeks later (between the time it was purchased and bred) the 3 year old SchH1 dog that was in season and had not been worked in at least a year was suddenly SchH2. Good dog maybe? Not hardly. Unfortunately there are way too many paper titles floating around to have them relied upon. Take the time to look at the dog and decide if it represents where it came from. Unless you are buying her only to breed her and sell her puppies. In that case get the titled dog.

a valuablen brood nbitch is one that constantly throows great dogs and a high % AT THAT.
EVER BITCH REGARDLESS OF THE BLOODLINE, TITLES ETC. DOES NOT CONSTITUTE A GREAT BITCH. she must be proven and the only wat to do it is breed her and see the ofspring work.
in the last 10n years i have only had 2 good bitches. after breeding the others i sold or in one instance gave one away. all my breeding males and females i might add came from titled parents with great breed surveys from slovicka or czech.
have a good day.

I am aware of the variables and I am aware that titles do not always mean what they should mean.   Lets assume the titles on the dogs in the pedigree were honest titles.. but the subject bitch was still out of an untitled dam and an honestly titled/surveyed grand dam.. then two generations of really great sires lines but no titles on the bitches (mother line) then we get into titles again (gotten honestly). 

Of course anyone wanting to expand on this to what they think is welcome to..

.. and this is Show Lines not working lines (subject dog). 

I also want to exclude discussion of dogs that are untitled but actually doing real life work.  IOW's if a dog is out of untitled lineage but the lines are all dogs that actually lived their lives herding, or working as Guide Dogs, or as military or K9's and so forth.  IMO real work counts and is a whole separate discussion.