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by Kaffirdog on 08 November 2011 - 20:11
Aman, who we supplied to our good friend Steve Jay of Suffolk Police was stabbed during an arrest (Steve too!) but continued the fight despite nearly bleeding to death.
Glad to hear both heroes are recovering.
http://www.heart.co.uk/suffolk/news/local/ipswich-police-officer-and-dog-stabbed/
Margaret N-J
Glad to hear both heroes are recovering.
http://www.heart.co.uk/suffolk/news/local/ipswich-police-officer-and-dog-stabbed/
Margaret N-J
by noddi on 09 November 2011 - 13:11
OMG ,Magaret,how distressing for you n Steve.Get well soon Aman.Carole S.
by Nellie on 09 November 2011 - 13:11
Send our get well wishes to them both Margaret x
by Slamdunc on 10 November 2011 - 01:11
I wish the Officer and K-9 a speedy recovery. As usual the article leaves out a lot of details. It appears they tried to Tase the suspect which failed. I hate to second guess other Officers and I do not have all the details. A subject armed with a knife in our area (US) calls for lethal force and not K-9 deployment. Bean bags, taser, firearm before I go hands on with a subject armed with a knife. I would have tough time deploying my dog in that situation. My thoughts and prayers go out to the Officer and his family and I really hope both are able to return to work soon. The dog did his job well and is a great dog.
Jim
Jim
by Kaffirdog on 10 November 2011 - 10:11
Hi Jim
Not sure a knife is considered sufficient to warrant firearms response in UK, more the pity.
Margaret N-J
Not sure a knife is considered sufficient to warrant firearms response in UK, more the pity.
Margaret N-J
by ronin on 10 November 2011 - 13:11
A knife can sometimes warrant firearms deployment, the issue in the UK is for a county the size of Suffolk they may be only two Armed Response Cars on duty (they carry the Tasers and Baton guns too) and its the distance they have too travel or if they were otherwise deployed.
I doubt the dog handler tried to make the arrest using a dog against a knife but he would have a duty to contain the subject and prevent him leaving until more officers got to the scene, the knife may have been initially concealed, a common problem as many offenders following a crime quickly dump the weapon or have a second knife, hence the necessity of a dog to locate evidence if the offender is long gone. The handler might have been surprised to find the offender too.
Strangely enough this reminds of the many threads of Sports Vs Real Dogs as Aman was raised in Germany for Schutzhund and trained here in the UK/Ireland, only to be sold to the Police as the owner at the time wanted a very high scoring dog in all disciplines. I remember Aman when I trained with Ulf as being a very nice dog; that said Margaret will correct my failing memory if I've made an errors I apologise.
Mark
I doubt the dog handler tried to make the arrest using a dog against a knife but he would have a duty to contain the subject and prevent him leaving until more officers got to the scene, the knife may have been initially concealed, a common problem as many offenders following a crime quickly dump the weapon or have a second knife, hence the necessity of a dog to locate evidence if the offender is long gone. The handler might have been surprised to find the offender too.
Strangely enough this reminds of the many threads of Sports Vs Real Dogs as Aman was raised in Germany for Schutzhund and trained here in the UK/Ireland, only to be sold to the Police as the owner at the time wanted a very high scoring dog in all disciplines. I remember Aman when I trained with Ulf as being a very nice dog; that said Margaret will correct my failing memory if I've made an errors I apologise.
Mark
by Kaffirdog on 10 November 2011 - 15:11
You remember Aman correctly Mark, he had no problems changing to police work and the Schutzhund foundation made him an excellent tracking dog that soon got the speed up, but maintained the accuracy for finding articles, totally clean hold and bark and a powerful manstopper on a long attack, he actually injured a doghandler who was decoying for him in training with his sheer hitting power.
Margaret N-J
Margaret N-J
by Slamdunc on 10 November 2011 - 15:11
Wow! It is really amazing the differences in Policing from country to country. I guess I take it for granted that all Police Officers are armed. I didn't realize that wasn't the case in this situation. In the US we respond to subjects armed with knifes with lethal force: a firearm and less lethal either bean bags, taser or both. We employ the 21' foot rule. It has been proven that a subject with a knife can charge and stab an officer before he can draw his weapon at a distance of 21'. We have a tremondous amount of firearms and gun violence. We rarely see knives any more, unless used in a violent domestic. In my car I have my dog, a shotgun with bean bags and an M-4 rifle. We do not employ less lethal equipment without an Officer providing cover with a firearm. I am sure the dog is an awesome K-9, I can attest to the fact that sport train dogs can be switched over to Police work. I converted my outstanding sport dog to an outstanding serious Police K-9. I give the Officer a lot of credit to confront an armed subject unarmed and take him into custody. A very difficult situation to be in. I suppose it must be nice to live in a country where normally it is not necessary to have armed Police Officers. A whole different way of life. Thanks for clarifying this for me.
by Lakewood SAR on 12 November 2011 - 14:11
I feel what should be convayed here is simply this : Officers, Take a rest and recover, your fellow comrades has the streets now. Good job Kilo and handler.... :)
It is not a matter what is sop over there, it is that a fellow officer had a high risk call and they handled it quite well.......................
It is not a matter what is sop over there, it is that a fellow officer had a high risk call and they handled it quite well.......................
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