Real Protection Dog? - Page 1

After reading the latest thread on protections dogs, trained or untrained I gathered your best bet is to start with a pup that has the best chance of acquiring those traits via genetics. 

Would this mean a working line in most cases?  Does anyone have a suggested kennel or breeder whose dogs tend to have these traits?

Thanks gang 

All depends on what you mean by "working line"!

Well I have two show line (black and Red) GSD's.  It is my understanding that the working lines are usually Eastern European , sable, black, etc .  Not sure if that matters on if a dog would be naturally protective or not but just asking.

Just curious Todd, what are your showlines like when it comes to being naturally protective?

This question wraps around the other question on the thread about calm grips.  I personally feel that there is a thought process that equates working line to certain colour, region of origin, etc.  Some even believe that a titled schutzhund dog is synonymous with a working dog.  The question is back to you again.....What do you mean real protection dog?  I thought this thread has beaten this question to death with "answers" going nowhere.

Serious question-- do people who want/need protection dogs not live in areas with guns?  I don't see the point of a trained PPD that can be shot just as easily as a barking mutt.  

Tenmom,

 What do you think he mean's by a working line and a real protection dog? Todd pretty much spelled it out for us, unless you're trying to make a point.

Todd check out Canczech and if you're interested give him a call. He breeds good dogs for this type of work and is a very honest person to deal with. You will get a better feel for what you're looking for by talking to breeders and looking at dogs. With the exception of a few people, most here don't have a clue when it comes to this type of dog, so don't expect too much good information.

http://www.canczechdogs.com

I would suggest if you want a protection dog, get a older dog that is trained.  That way you know what you are getting by seeing the dog work.   See for yourself and take someone who knows dogs with you as a second set of eyes.  With a puppy it is a crapshoot and with the time and money you spend in training you do cheaper with a older trained dog.

In the other thread, Ace had a good answer.  Get an older dog that is trained for such a situation.  I tend to agree here.  You can have any kind of dog for personal protection.  Does not necessarily have to come from a GSD or working line.  From what I see on the field, a lot of these so call working line dogs are just prey drive dogs.  Would they be "real protectors" when the time comes.  Most on this thread have said no!  Some stuck to the point that their dogs would stand up to a threathening situation.  Now how would they know if that situation has not presented itself?

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Serious question-- do people who want/need protection dogs not live in areas with guns?  I don't see the point of a trained PPD that can be shot just as easily as a barking mutt.

So you think they should just get a gun instead?  Not everyone has it in them to pull a trigger.  Times of panic those who are not trained may fumble or screw up and shoot themselves.  Shooting people is easy, it's living with it thats the hard part. 

PPD should give you time to get away.  A PPD is a good visual deterrant.  A PPD can hear bumps in the night when your sound asleep.