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by Siantha on 13 July 2011 - 03:07
i have no ways of changeing this dogs food or her habits i just wanted opinions on this it is kinda gross but that is life im fostering a SL female and randomly she would have diahrea for nooo reason at all no changes in her food nothing i did a stool sample nothing. well today we finealy figured out her issue this dog will poop turn around and eat it instantly then do more and eat more. and this is with me takeing her out with a bag waiting for her to finish and before i can bend over to pick it up its eaten even with a correction with her on a leash she still trys to eat it. i just wanted to see if people have had this issue before none of my WLs have this problem please no bashing just wondering on what people say.
by DogisGood on 13 July 2011 - 12:07
She's a foster, I read- what's the situation where she was from before?
I doubt this is a nutritional problem. I would bet money on behavior.
Usually there's a couple situations where you see poo-eating like that.
1) Dog was previously trapped with its waste with no way to escape from it, and began eating it to keep its space clean. (Ironic way of keeping clean.)
2) Dog was in a puppy mill or similar situation, again with bad hygeine, and learned poo eating because the mom was eating it trying to keep the puppies clean.
3) Dog has been confined long-term with no toys and possibly wasn't fed enough, and started poo eating because of boredom or hunger.
Most likely, based on how frantically the dog seems to eat its own waste, though:
4) Dog has been punished, probably severely, by the owner upon the owner returning home and finding a pile of poo. Dogs can learn to eat poo to try to 'hide' it if the owner punishes them when they find dog waste.
Don't know how to tell you to fix her, but I'm interested to hear what her life was like before you got her.
I doubt this is a nutritional problem. I would bet money on behavior.
Usually there's a couple situations where you see poo-eating like that.
1) Dog was previously trapped with its waste with no way to escape from it, and began eating it to keep its space clean. (Ironic way of keeping clean.)
2) Dog was in a puppy mill or similar situation, again with bad hygeine, and learned poo eating because the mom was eating it trying to keep the puppies clean.
3) Dog has been confined long-term with no toys and possibly wasn't fed enough, and started poo eating because of boredom or hunger.
Most likely, based on how frantically the dog seems to eat its own waste, though:
4) Dog has been punished, probably severely, by the owner upon the owner returning home and finding a pile of poo. Dogs can learn to eat poo to try to 'hide' it if the owner punishes them when they find dog waste.
Don't know how to tell you to fix her, but I'm interested to hear what her life was like before you got her.
by BubbaJ on 13 July 2011 - 13:07
OR... the dog may actually have a medical problem, for instance, some form of pancreatic insufficiency which would explain a runny stool and a desire to eat her own poop. If that's really the case the food is not being digested properly, the dog smells it in her stool and, naturally, wants to eat it. But to rule it out you have to do a blood test to check pancreatic levels and depending on the outcome the dog may need some digestive supplements.
by GSDNewbie on 13 July 2011 - 13:07
I agree with possible epi.
by Renofan2 on 13 July 2011 - 14:07
I agree, possible EPI. Before my dogs diagnosis and from the time she was a pup, she would ravenously eat her own poop. Combined with runny stools, sounds like a malabsorption issue. EPI, possibly SIBO. Once this was regulated, she stopped.
Thank you for taking this girl in.
Cheryl
Thank you for taking this girl in.
Cheryl
by SitasMom on 13 July 2011 - 14:07
Try adding prozime to her food and see what happens.
Also treat for tapeworm - panacur or safe-gard for 5 days.
by charity on 13 July 2011 - 19:07
I agree with SitasMom.
But if I remember correctly panacur does not cover all tapes.....I believe Drontal plus does. It's more expensive but more convenient also, just one pill instead of 5 days.
I was told by my vet that Panacur is very safe even for pregnant bitches.
If you are concerned about EPI the blood test is called TLI and it must be done before any Prozyme is given or the test will be normal even though the dog may not be.
You can also add "Forbid" to the dog's food to make her poo less palable....I feel silly even saying that! Someone told me that Adolph's meat tenderizer does the same thing but I have no idea how much of that to add.
Good luck
But if I remember correctly panacur does not cover all tapes.....I believe Drontal plus does. It's more expensive but more convenient also, just one pill instead of 5 days.
I was told by my vet that Panacur is very safe even for pregnant bitches.
If you are concerned about EPI the blood test is called TLI and it must be done before any Prozyme is given or the test will be normal even though the dog may not be.
You can also add "Forbid" to the dog's food to make her poo less palable....I feel silly even saying that! Someone told me that Adolph's meat tenderizer does the same thing but I have no idea how much of that to add.
Good luck
by dogud shepherd on 13 July 2011 - 22:07
fresh or tinned pineapple may help,usually discourages it.
by isachev on 13 July 2011 - 23:07
Once I switched my GSD's to Raw Prey diet-never had this problem again. Feed the dog what it's digestive system was built for.
http://preymodelraw.com/
http://www.saveourshepherds.org/raw.html
http://preymodelraw.com/
http://www.saveourshepherds.org/raw.html
by von Harasymtzuk on 14 July 2011 - 00:07
I was going to say a pancreatic disorder, and/or IBSO. I babysat a dog with a pancreatic disorder for 2 months, oye ve it drove me insane. If her stool is still soft, (not sure if you know this) You can give her some canned pumpkin, pumpkin will make a dog go and stop them from going too fast.
What color are her stools? Is it green, yellowish or orange? If so that means she isn't digesting her food, could be EPI, SIBO, Giardia but probably EPI and SIBO.
Is her appetite good, poor, does she act like she is starving? If so, awesome...if not...she probably has a nasty bacteria inside of her causing her bowels to be inflammed (well eating her own stools of course her digestion is really messed up) If she is always hungry she quite literally is starving because the kibble is going right through her.
Is her weight good, dull/nice coat?
What are you feeding her? (Dogs with EPI do well on a low fat diet)
How long have you had her did she always have it and any idea how much longer you will have her for? Hopefully you and the dog will get lucky and it wont be chronic but most times it is.
If she has EPI/SIBO which is what it sounds like, she is probably eating her stool because of the SIBO (bacterial overgrowth preventing her from digesting her kibble) EPI, she could just be flat out starving since her digestive system isn't working properly lacking in enzymes and plenty of nasty bacteria to stop her from getting what she needs and then there is the infamous "shit tastes like chicken" when she goes to the bathroom it smells and tastes like food and she is hungry because of her inability to digest the nutrients.
The pancreatic enzyme is very expensive and some dogs can't handle animal enzymes, they need plants it's up to you if you want to try it or you could try Prozyme which is what I used for the dog I watched and I use it for all of my dogs simply because all kibble is processed, killing the live organisms that digest the kibble and enable the dog to soak up more of the nutrients.
Get her Tylan or Flagyl to kill the bad bacteria, you can use Clavamox or Amoxicillin, see what kind of antibiotics you have on hand but Tylan kills the least amount of good bacteria and has very little chance of side effects, try it for a week-2 weeks and see if you see a difference.
Put her on a GOOD brand of probiotics and prebiotics (FOS and another is good Lach something), most probiotics have pre in them, many say they have 10 billion cfu but many end up dying, a good amount after being on antibiotics is very important to build up her good bacteria, don't use it with the antibiotic, wait a few hours then give it to her, after being given the antibiotics she is going to need millions...the longer she is on the antibiotic the more probiotics she will need. Like if you use Amoxicillin instead of Tylan and if you use it longer, more probiotics. There are a couple of good probiotics out there, the thing is..which strains are best for her.
Enzymes...I'd try to get lactose free for her soak it with water for about 10 minutes or until soupy.
You can call your local pet store and see if they have Bene-Bac, it's a probiotic just for now if by chance you have some antibiotics on you and you want to try it, research it more, talk with your vet, etc. She will need cleaned out, she may have to be on antibiotics for 2 months depending on how long this has been going on for but a difference should be seen within 7 days of using everything and at the right dosage.
She will need some L-Glutamine, Bromelain or Slippery Elm, something to help with with inflammation and help heal her digestive tract.
What color are her stools? Is it green, yellowish or orange? If so that means she isn't digesting her food, could be EPI, SIBO, Giardia but probably EPI and SIBO.
Is her appetite good, poor, does she act like she is starving? If so, awesome...if not...she probably has a nasty bacteria inside of her causing her bowels to be inflammed (well eating her own stools of course her digestion is really messed up) If she is always hungry she quite literally is starving because the kibble is going right through her.
Is her weight good, dull/nice coat?
What are you feeding her? (Dogs with EPI do well on a low fat diet)
How long have you had her did she always have it and any idea how much longer you will have her for? Hopefully you and the dog will get lucky and it wont be chronic but most times it is.
If she has EPI/SIBO which is what it sounds like, she is probably eating her stool because of the SIBO (bacterial overgrowth preventing her from digesting her kibble) EPI, she could just be flat out starving since her digestive system isn't working properly lacking in enzymes and plenty of nasty bacteria to stop her from getting what she needs and then there is the infamous "shit tastes like chicken" when she goes to the bathroom it smells and tastes like food and she is hungry because of her inability to digest the nutrients.
The pancreatic enzyme is very expensive and some dogs can't handle animal enzymes, they need plants it's up to you if you want to try it or you could try Prozyme which is what I used for the dog I watched and I use it for all of my dogs simply because all kibble is processed, killing the live organisms that digest the kibble and enable the dog to soak up more of the nutrients.
Get her Tylan or Flagyl to kill the bad bacteria, you can use Clavamox or Amoxicillin, see what kind of antibiotics you have on hand but Tylan kills the least amount of good bacteria and has very little chance of side effects, try it for a week-2 weeks and see if you see a difference.
Put her on a GOOD brand of probiotics and prebiotics (FOS and another is good Lach something), most probiotics have pre in them, many say they have 10 billion cfu but many end up dying, a good amount after being on antibiotics is very important to build up her good bacteria, don't use it with the antibiotic, wait a few hours then give it to her, after being given the antibiotics she is going to need millions...the longer she is on the antibiotic the more probiotics she will need. Like if you use Amoxicillin instead of Tylan and if you use it longer, more probiotics. There are a couple of good probiotics out there, the thing is..which strains are best for her.
Enzymes...I'd try to get lactose free for her soak it with water for about 10 minutes or until soupy.
You can call your local pet store and see if they have Bene-Bac, it's a probiotic just for now if by chance you have some antibiotics on you and you want to try it, research it more, talk with your vet, etc. She will need cleaned out, she may have to be on antibiotics for 2 months depending on how long this has been going on for but a difference should be seen within 7 days of using everything and at the right dosage.
She will need some L-Glutamine, Bromelain or Slippery Elm, something to help with with inflammation and help heal her digestive tract.
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