Breeding Interest? - Page 1

What do you think of this breeding?

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/belgian_malinois/breeding.result?fadir=650055&modir=846785 

Master is a nice dog, but has yet to produce anything that I would want a pup out of. On the bottom half, Joefarm dogs are a hit and miss situation, and can produce some over the top dogs with tons of useless drive, and some are really nice ones too. Putting the two together, I would assume without seeing the parents in person that you will get dogs with extreme to almost hectac behavior, good grips and small heads. Should work, allthough I wouldn't want one.

The thing about Master is, the owner put him with a top and I mean top level trainer, he must be a hard dog or Phil wouldn't want anything to do with him. On the other hand what has the guy who has him now done with him since Phil? I saw that he pulled from the AWDF Championships.

The "guy" who has him now is the "guy" who imported and owned him and turned him over to Phil to handle.  The "guy" put up 3 V scores of 96 at the AWMA Nationals last fall.  Impressive enough considering I don't think he really handled a dog before, I could be wrong but I think it was the first trial he handled Master in. 

Have you ever seen a Master son or worked one?  I own one and he is the best tracking Malinois I have ever seen and he throws it in his offspring.  The grips are always full and the nerves are rock solid.  He has closing speed that is unbelievable and I challenge anyone to give him a bad presentation on the escape bite, it simply cannot be done.  He will outrun ANY helper and put himself dead center on the arm.  He has taken very experienced helpers to the ground on the escape bite on more than one occasion.  Personally I like the type of dog that comes from the German/Belgian combination for the sport of SchH/IPO because of the stability and solid grip behavior but also for the serious hunt drive that translates to exceptional tracking.  You yourself may want to consider that.

I don't want to start that bitch session over how my dog's better than your dog, but as you well know, I don't like Dutch dogs and comparatively speaking, there is no comparison between the overall speed of Master and the dog that you love to use Dylan.  Master wins that hands down.  Oh BTW, I don't want one of your puppies either so nah nah.

Duderino,

Im not sure where to start. I will start with the top side of the pedigree. You have some very reputable dogs on the top. ie elgos, stoned, yagus, master, klemm and the lowenfel dogs he is from. I have a daughter out of yagus who is very stable and clear headed yet very high drive and packs a punch. She is always looking for her toy or anything you throw she will find. Very nice hunt drives.

Bottom side, I have seen, worked, and own a son of alice. Alice is one of the nicest working/ producing females i have ever seen hands down! Very nice predigree here too. She is out of jason a nara ring III champ. Very smart and trainable. She produces very serious high drive dogs. She has been bred to Ario call name stewart who who dvg sch iii nationals.

As far as the mixture of the dogs in the pedigree. I own another female who has klemm mixed in with nelton and elgos. She is very high drive in all areas. An amazing tracker with rediculas hunt drive. Very clear headed and trainable but is always moving until we hit the couch then she is laying down right there with me.

I think both lines are very nice and can produce quality dogs but again you never know untill they get here and are being worked.

What do you think duderino and others?

The mother (call name Alice) is a PSA Champ and throws PSA Champs and AWMA Champs, what else needs to be said. 


This breeding should be very nice and and should produce top working dogs.

Thanks Phil hope you have a nice day. Thanks to the many PM's I got to inform me that my suspensions were correct. Phil have a great day and for god sake get some counseling or something. BTW I know that you hate PSA so what is the deal there? OH wait I don't care.

I don't know what you mean, I know PSA was an airline.  Didn't their planes have little smiley faces on them?  I do know I have an Excalibur son that I like very much but I don't know of any other Master sons that are of breeding age so I don't know what you mean about puppies out of Master sons that you have seen.  I know that an Excalibur son is working on the Memphis PD and an Excalibur daughter is with a SchH woman in Ohio and doing well but those are the only Master grand kids in the States.  Which ones have you seen?

There are quite a few out of Les Ombres Valurex floating around, one in a club that I visit often.

Not quite a few, a few.  The first breeding Debbie did only had 1 puppy, hence the name D'Only, probably because there was an issue getting the collection from Florida to California.  From what I find, only 1 male and 2 females from the second breeding as well and they won't be 24 months yet until June.  I do know that the Excalibur/Nelija (Alice) breeding was done a week and a half ago and that both dogs are very similar in physical structure, pigment and type.  That I do know.

Well at least you know something!!! I really don't care about this topic, and would rather not converse with Phil on any matter.