Running the blinds in SchH.... question.. - Page 1

I am using this dog as an example and by no means am I knocking this dog... I actually like him very much. This is a video from the 2009 WUSV.  In running the blinds this dog only peeks in blind number 2. Would this be an automatic "0" points for this exercise? (Yes I know this dog skipped blinds 4 and 5 and would have gotten a "0" because of that.). I am just curious as to whether or not this team would get a zero for this exercise because the dog only peeked into blind 2 and did not completely go around it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6kld1Qm5gM&feature=related

Jyl
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At that level of competition the team would receive a 0 for that exercise.

The dog did not complete the exercise the moment he blew off blinds 4 and 5 and went straight to 6 from 3

Thanks RLHAR
I know the dog would have lost all the points in that exercise because he did skip blinds 4 and 5. I was just curious as to the fact that he did not run all the way around blind 2, but only peeked into it. The way I feel is that he still "searched" the blind even though he did not run all the way around it.  So if I understand what you are saying is that he would have failed the that exercise since he did not run all the way around blind 2?

I have looked everywhere to try and find the answer to this question. The only thing I can find is that it says the dog must search all blinds to achieve full points. I have not found anywhere where it says the dog much run around the blinds, just "search" them. In the video the dog did search the blind.

Jyl,

Let me see if I can explain it better.

The blind search is not so much about the actual 'looking' in the blind as it is a demonstration of obedience to the handler in a high tension situation.

The dog knows the helper is in blind 6 and in a true real life scenario a police officer would want his dog hightailing it to blind 6 and eff the rest.  But the 'picture' you are presenting to the judge is of a dog who despite knowing where his 'enemy' is, remains obedient to his handler's command.

That command is 'go around the blind' not peek in it.

At club level, if a dog 'peeked' in a blind and came out of it, the judge might take half points or less if he/she is feeling good about the over all picture of the search.  At a championship level, it is a sign of disobedience to the handler's command and thus would lose all points.

the dog is suppose to treat every blind as a potential hide out of the helper, How you teach it is just your opinion.
when I look at a dog, I want to sea a search not obedient running like a clown! I want it fast, accurate and darnet search, not run around but search every blind. Obedience and running is nice, but search despite the dog knowing the helper is in the last blind is superb! that is why tons of dogs loose points for just running, not searching!
MO

RLHAR
Thanks for the more indepth explanation. I understand what you are saying now. I do agree that the dog should be obedient to the handler.

GSDPACK
That is also one of my pet peves....I like to see the dog look in every blind that is goes around. To me it is not the pretty picture when the dog just runs the blinds.... I like to see the dog search every blind.
A dog that I really like watching do the blind search is Javir Talka Marda....he goes around the blinds nice and tight and searches every blind every time. To me that is how it should be done.

To me it is not necessary to search the blinds as it is an obed excersise and really should not be called a "blind search" but a "blind run". If I wanted the dog to search or look into each blind then I would train it that way and never let a dog go past a blind without looking into it. I do not feel like that is required nor do I feel that a dog should do it naturally because the dog SHOULD know that the helper is in blind 6. Having said that...if a dog peeks in the blind and does not go around it I dont feel like a dog should receive a 0 but I do think it should be penalized because it could be seen as a refusal.

I believe...and I could be wrong, but aren't they deducting points for not looking in the blind? Though the dog knows that the helper is in blind 6...he is suppose to search each blind!

Even though we call it "running" the blinds the command is "search", not run around the blind.  The dog should look into each blind regardless of whether he circles it or purposfully looks into it without going around the blind. I don't believe there is anything in the rules that indicate the dog will lose points as long as he looks in each blind, not is there anything in the rules that says he has to be consistent on each blind, he just can't blow it off all together. He may however, lose points by not actively looking as he passed the blind, depending upon the judge.

SportySchGuy - that is the difference between handlers who train at a high level and those who just do what they have to do to get a title. The dog should be taught to look in each blind. It is a blind "search" not a blind run, and judges should deduct points if the dog doesn't "seach" the blind.

GSDPACK - well said.

exactly! To me it is just a pass fail event like it was meant to be and as it should be! Also, for me if the dog is too stupid to not realize after several repetitions that the helper is in the 6 blind then it shouldn't be bred anyway LOL. So.....to me it will always be a blind "run" and not a "search".