Choking a dog to get the ball back

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by catman on 24 January 2011 - 17:01

I notice on some sites they have videos of adult dogs playing fetch the handler has to choke the dog to get the ball back, i never had to do this with my dogs

was just curious what this is about?

by Felloffher on 24 January 2011 - 17:01

It's about getting the ball back. The dogs probably haven't been taught an out command.

by catman on 24 January 2011 - 18:01

i see is there a way to train a working dog to drop the ball without choking it till its eyes pop out?

by Ace952 on 24 January 2011 - 18:01

Others can chime in and correct me...

But I always thought that with a puppy and you are training him, you want to choke him off of things so he doesn't feel like he lost the item. Thatw ay you keep up the confidence of the pup/ older dog you are training.

Now if you are training a dog for sport only maybe you teach the out command early.

by catman on 24 January 2011 - 18:01

what about training an adult dog

by Ace952 on 24 January 2011 - 18:01

I would say the same. Depending on what you are training for and the level the dog is currently at.. If they are selling the dog many times they don't want to put a lot of OB on the dog so that the buyer can shape the dog how they want.

Hopefully someone else can shine some light into this as I am still learning.

by KYLE on 24 January 2011 - 18:01

Not teaching the dog to out is an American LEO K9 training method. I have been told they don't teach it because they don't want the dog outing from a verbal command. Because if the suspect tells the dog to out he may let go. My 2 cents is that it is lazy and one less thing you have to train the dog to do in the limited amount of time you have in a handler course. Grip is grip, aus is aus.

Ball play is supposed to promote drive. Now if you flank or choke out the dog everytime you want the ball or object, you are losing drive. Also, the dog being in your arms is supposed to enforce bonding and trust. Now if you flank and choke the dog every time you touch him its not going to be long before conflict developes. The dog thinks everytime this clown comes near me he inflicts some sort of pain. Now the whining starts and the dog having antsy feet when you get close.

Teach the dog to out. He knows who is suppose to give him commands.

Kyle

by jamesfountain98 on 24 January 2011 - 19:01

When training a puppy I am building drive. so I will choke him/her off the ball but using a flat collar or just a leather collar so it will not perceive it as a correction. SAR is my venue of choice, so when I take the tug or the ball from a puppy or a young dog in training I want her to be pulling trying her best to get it back. When I do decide to introduce the out command i still keep it fun for the dog. (I do still use the choke method) but when it outs the item that I want her to let go I give her command so that she is able to rebite the item rather it is the tug or the ball. I gradually increase the time span between the release and the rebite. I want her to stay focus and know that she will get the item back.

For extremely high drive dogs it is necessarily to use a choke collar to teach this method but you must keep it rewarding and not a means of correction for this activity. You do not want to take away from the dogs drive and focus for the item.

by Slamdunc on 24 January 2011 - 19:01

Kyle,
You are so correct, I never taught my Police K9 to out because I want him to inflict a lot of damage. All of the Working certifying agencies never require Police dogs to out for certification, since we never have any liability issues this works great. I am also very lazy, so I do not choke my dog off at all. I just wait for the suspect to go limp and the dog to get bored and eventually he outs.

Catman,
It is very easy to teach most dogs adults or pups to out a toy or a sleeve. The easiest way is too simply offer a second toy or sleeve and the dog will out one to get the other.

Jim

Just for clarity, I was being sarcastic in my response to Kyle........................

by KYLE on 24 January 2011 - 19:01

Slamduc, do you teach your dog to out or not? If you do, then the comment was not for you.

"All of the Working certifying agencies never require Police dogs to out for certification, since we never have any liability issues this works great."

I know you are not saying that all LEO agencies train their dogs to out?

I said my 2 cents. Observed what I saw in regards to police K9's not outing. Inquired as to why not teaching the out, and passed it on.

LOL, everything here turns into a pi$$ing contest.

Kyle

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