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Am Virk

by Am Virk on 19 December 2010 - 04:12

Here is a video of one our stud dogs in his early days of personal protection.  www.youtube.com/watch




Am Virk
www.blacklionkennels.ca/

Don Corleone

by Don Corleone on 19 December 2010 - 05:12

Please explain why you send your PP dog on a fleeing person? Didn't he already do his job? What if his buddy is still around your rv and you just sent your dog to chase a fleeing person?

by SitasMom on 19 December 2010 - 06:12

What different areas does a dog need to be trained in to be considered a personal protection dog?

Seems like it would have to be .........
non dog aggressive
confident on all surfaces
socialized for public
non equipment dependent
house trained
obedience trained - to what point is open for discussion
bite trained - to what point is also open for discussion

What else?


buckeyefan gsd

by buckeyefan gsd on 19 December 2010 - 15:12

what is the point of this video?
i really dont know much about training
for PP but this was nothing impressive
as far as i could tell
my pet will bite a sleeve someone is running with.
and i would also agree that a personal protection dog
is worthless when it is 50 yards from you.
so again what was the point of this video?
also what is the ped of this "stud dog"?

by sable59 on 19 December 2010 - 17:12

have a stranger yo yhe dog advance with a hidden sleeve and send your dog if he is aggressive towards you.send us a video of this. see if you might have a protection dog. any dog i have will chase someone when they run. i had a yorkie that would.

Slamdunc

by Slamdunc on 19 December 2010 - 18:12

I wouldn't call that PP training. 

I'm also not sure what Sable59 is saying?  I assume you mean if the stranger is aggressive to the handler, not the dog being aggressive to the handler?

have a stranger yo yhe dog advance with a hidden sleeve and send your dog if he is aggressive towards you.send us a video of this.

Jim

Felloffher

by Felloffher on 19 December 2010 - 18:12

Most attackers aren't carrying a shutzhund stick, it might be a good idea to train a PPD without one. It cue's the dog just like a sleeve or suit would. Looks like a decent dog.

ronin

by ronin on 19 December 2010 - 20:12

To be fair, most of us started down the same route when we came to dogs, thats if you weren't lucky enough to come from an environment where working dogs were part of your every day life.

He's brave to post the clip, which is rubbish BUT he's not really suggesting its anything else HOWEVER the responses need to be more constructive, there are few on here who know about genuine personal protection, and some who know about training dogs. (note the difference)

The stick is a cue, yes but also a tool to be varied, replaced with a flag, fog horn, water can, box or the subject wearing a motorcycle helmet etc. lots of variety in the equipment, locations, cars, times of day and of course covert sleeves, leg bites .In effect you are teaching the dog to fight not bite. Personally I think the trainer/helper is the key here.

A Police K9 possesses different qualities to a PPD. I have seen strong KNPV dogs that a stranger could go and take out of the van, and seasoned venomous K9's that would let a stranger into there garden. Why because there world of engagement/experiences is so different. Not a general rule but examples, and of course they could be trained differently.

I don't think you need a socially balanced, confident dog. A PPD can be forgiven many vices, it should be a little edgy to be vigilant, doesn't need much prey drive, or balanced drives even. People apply Secret Service Rin Tin Tin Standards to these dogs as ultimate bodyguards; going for the weapon hand knowing a handicapped teenager from a drug induced one, its all pie in the sky.
Its hard work training a PPD, and you can't do it alone or quickly.

Once all this has been achieved the Handler needs to learn how and when to use such a dog.
Do you keep the dog next to you or send him?

Ronin

Felloffher

by Felloffher on 19 December 2010 - 21:12

I don't think you need a socially balanced, confident dog. A PPD can be forgiven many vices, it should be a little edgy to be vigilant, doesn't need much prey drive, or balanced drives even. People apply Secret Service Rin Tin Tin Standards to these dogs as ultimate bodyguards; going for the weapon hand knowing a handicapped teenager from a drug induced one, its all pie in the sky.
Its hard work training a PPD, and you can't do it alone or quickly.

IMO a PPD that's not social and lacks confidence is a liability to others and the handler. Again IMO a PPD must be capable and comfortable going any place the handler takes it. The dog must be alert and able to engage on command or if the handler is attacked, but it shouldn't be needlessly barking or trying to attack people. A dog lacking confidence is a dog that may turn and run if the stakes are to high, if it engages at all. Low standards in dog selection allows some vendors to pass off dogs that look real to the buyer, but are too nervy and unstable to get the job done. 

Platz752

by Platz752 on 19 December 2010 - 21:12

Dog is working in prey?  Hope the real life attacker is very animated otherwise the dog will not be interested to engage!





 


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