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by Feather on 25 August 2010 - 03:08
Saw this while browsing another thread, quoting here, the context was in Dean or Mark thread another poster claimed she saw a trainer soccer kick a dog and spectators were shocked then PowerHaus replies not just to defend the trainer, but to defend kicking a dog,
Louise,OOhh, well if they do it in Germany it must be right. I dont give a fuck what they do in Germany, they eat dogs in Korea so why not do that too. This is not about the poster whos quoted or that one trainer but its about many unamed people out there
The "soccer" style kick is used in Germany A LOT. It isn't a kick done out of anger nor is it done with the TOE of your foot, it is a correction just like anyother correction! Since soccer is the #1 sport over in Europe I imagine it is far more common practice than you realize. It is more or less to get the dogs attention and a correction. It must NEVER be done with the toe of ones foot either and it is also not for every dog! I am sure the dog he used this "soccer" style correction on was probably pretty tough!
I say this: If you have to kick a dog, you suck royally at training and the dog would be better off in different hands. What the fuck more do you people want, you have a dog that is bred for this sport and has all high working drives..... if you can't train them without abuse, then just go quit while you're ahead. Someone can have it all there to work with and you still have to torture the animal to geet it to perform? Whip the dog, pinch ears, electrify the sleeve, shock collar, sharpen prong or micro pinch, go f--- yourselves. Wonder why so many are handler aggressive, I would bite your arm off if I was a dog treated like that
by blair built gsd on 25 August 2010 - 04:08
by Feather on 25 August 2010 - 04:08
by mobjack on 25 August 2010 - 05:08
by Jeff Oehlsen on 25 August 2010 - 05:08
So, you are assuming that they are kicking the dog as hard as they can ? Or are they talking about a boot in the ass because the dog has forged and is too focused on the helper ?
There is a difference between abuse and correction. I do not care if it is a kick, a smack, a neck grab, a pinch, a choke, a harness or an e-collar, ALL can be abused.
I have given my dog the boot in the ass, and have no problems with saying so. I did not launch him into the air, and he corrected himself back into heel.
This is the type of complaint that makes me wonder what people are thinking as well. What fucking planet are you on when you make the assumption that the kick was as hard as possible ?
I have a friend who booted his dog with the side of his foot, not even hard, and people complained and cried about how awful it was. There is always a huge difference between causing pain, and getting attention. For some people, people who do not train dogs at any level, just the act is horrific. Shame on them for not knowing the difference.
by mobjack on 25 August 2010 - 05:08
by Jeff Oehlsen on 25 August 2010 - 06:08
I would love to go back in time, snatch one of these dogs as a pup, and give it to one of these abuse criers. I guarantee they are smacking the dog after 5 months. That or the dog lives in a kennel with a little door to throw the bowl into. : )
by hallix on 25 August 2010 - 06:08
What exactly are you talking about when you say 'modern' training methods? What exactly is 'abusive' about a prong or a shock collar when used correctly?
by ronin on 25 August 2010 - 10:08
You raise a good point Feather in a narrow perspective (blaming tens of thousands of people around the world) but this forum is read by old and young alike, so if can't make your point without typing foul language repeatedly for all to read best you keep your emotions to yourself.
Ronin
by GSDdrive1 on 25 August 2010 - 16:08
Feather,
It is really disappointing when people like yourself, with seemingly little if any first hand experience, take the discription of an event and generalize it to an entire population, in this case people involved in Schutzhund. You do the sport and 95% of the people involved a huge disservice. There are people who abuse their kids as well but we don't say that all parents are bad. The training methods you mentioned all work well and if used properly are not abusive. Dogs trained in Schutzhund live wonderful lives. They have a tremendous amount of positive interaction with their handlers, far more than most pets, and they get to do what they love, which is work. You should really get more first hand exposure to the sport and the people involved before you start ranting and raving about something you know nothing about.
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