What makes a working line gsd breed worthy? - Page 1

In your opinion, what makes a working line gsd breed worthy?

My observations are that ...
1.  requiring the dogs to be titled will have a positive effect on future litters.
2.  Titling alone does not mean it is breed worthy.
3.  A high scoring dog, if capable of reproducing its drives still doesn't make a dog breed worthy

Other questions

If a dog is in the BSP does that mean the dog is breed worthy?
Are the highest scoring dogs the best ones to breed?
Are the dogs that are difficult to trial and therefore do not score as high actually the better dogs?

In my book the dog that can bring what my female needs is breedworthy ,dont care who trained him or were he went in his career
many people breed to sell so the winner of the day , fully titled etc comes in  the picture ,even when everyone knows the biggest part of winning comes from the handler , not the dog

we already can see what breeding points with points will bring to the breed !!!

> Are the dogs that are difficult to trial and therefore do not score as high actually the better dogs?


Haha! I love this one because you hear it so often among SchH breeders and competitors that it has become cliche. Don't breed to the dog on the podium because he is a "trained dog" breed to the dog who got 60 or 80 points because he has too much drive to control. For me, this is all non-sense. Selecting breeding dogs requires a good eye for reading a dog which only comes from a lot of experience training and breeding dogs. You've got to love the breeders who have never trained a working dog, much less titled one, but they are the self-proclaimed expert according to their web site.

Most of the time, the difference between the dog on the podium and the dog who got DQ'd because he was out of control is the handler. The handler is incapable or lacks the experience to do what it takes in order to properly control/train the dog. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that every dog on the podium is a breeding dog but you must look past all the points and really look into the dogs heart and character.

I've seen several dogs who are considered strong dogs because their are out of control, and once we put the control on them they are unable to handle the pressure like the dog on the podium already has successfully.

Just my .02
Jason

I would prefer the stud I choose to actually work in real life. That would make him more breedworthy in my eyes the a dog going for titles. That is not my only preference and there is so much more, but that is right up there at the top of my list.

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Melissa

Schh, DPO or HGH title; Conformation rating of at least G; Passing hip and elbow rating. 

winning/not winning, scores, bloodlines, temperament, size, color, etc is the personal choice of the individual breeders.

I believe a titled dog can speak to it's character, trainability, etc. but I think there are a lot of dogs that have titles that should not. I think a dog that is trained in SAR and other such areas are good candidates, as long as the health clearances are attained. Dogs that have real jobs, in my opinion speaks more volume than a dog strictly titled in the sport. They both have their places don't get me wrong, but what about those people that have excellent dogs that don't have a schH club anywhere around? Does that mean those dogs are unworthy? Does it mean since they work their dog in another working venue, those dogs are not worthy?

Theresa

There are so many factors with your question. Let me answer them with my opinion in order.

1. requiring the dogs to be titled will have a positive effect on future litters.  - I would say no this this statement, titles are subjective. The titles could be on paper only. Again, could be a great dog, but not a good producer.

2. Titling alone does not mean it is breed worthy. - I would say that is a correct statement. Also, finding a great females is every bit as important as a great male. Female could take longer to title because of there heat cycles. I relate titles parents to kids that graduate college. They have proven that they can follow directions and get passing grades, but no real experience and their future is still in question. I have known lots of kids whos parents are brillant and their kids are as dumb as roocks, enough said :)

3. A high scoring dog, if capable of reproducing its drives still doesn't make a dog breed worthy - I would say if you have a proven dog and a proven producer, your odds are higher of passing those trates to their pups. This is also a subjective question. What I might want in a dog may be different than what you want in a dog. Is this a sport only dog? Is this dog going to be a part of your family and live in your house? Is it a personal protection dog? Will you want to breed this dog? All those question could change what you are looking for in a dog. Again, with a puppy, there are no for sures, you will always be rolling the dice. If you want a certain trate, get a older puppy/dog where you can see what you get and eliminate the guess work.

4. If a dog is in the BSP does that mean the dog is breed worthy? - No -  Don't be fooled into thinking that only championship placement/podium dogs are only the ones that can be solid producers. Do your research, look for judges critiques and look at the parents, GP, GGP, and GGGGP. I would be more interested in 5 generations and if you have lots of BSP/WUSV appearences. You may not have top 5 finishes, but there is a solid track record. better than a one hit wonder.

5. Are the highest scoring dogs the best ones to breed? - already answered above

6. Are the dogs that are difficult to trial and therefore do not score as high actually the better dogs? They could be, the question to ask is who is trialing them? Do they know what they are doing. Is it the handler who is struggling or is it the dog???

Just my opinions, good luck,

pcw

The dog will tell me much more then a score book or a breed survey. That being said all dogs that are breed should be able to work or be worked as a point of breeding criteria. You also have to look at the breeding pair together. 

There are many Service dogs Police,SAR ect... won,t have a official "Title" that should be bred. In the end it is all about the dog and not what is written about them.

Big kennels love to shove titles in buyers face which goes to the saying"If you can,t dazzle,em with brilliance baffle,em with bullshit"
       
All dogs that are bred should have a Minimum hip rating of fair and clear elbows at the least. 

Breed worthy is Top Bloodlines from Top Dogs in my case Top WUSV lines,
Joints perfect Hips and Elbows,
The Female herself ScH3, and Korclasse 1 or 2  and DNA
Nothing less is good enough for me
Steve1