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by Blerio on 08 June 2010 - 06:06
The silence is deafening! People are usually slapping one another on their backs, I heard there was some failure with the bite tests, So who is going to start the ball rolling, about the good! the bad! and the ugly. Bill Owen.
by Member on 08 June 2010 - 07:06
by hutch on 08 June 2010 - 08:06
Hi Bill,
Mum, Zep and I went over to the Irish Sieger and had an enjoyable if not entirely successful day!
The Good
The venue is absolutely outstanding - it is no doubt that it would be the envy of most training clubs. It is spacious, extremely well-maintained and very well laid out.
The organisation was, in the main, brilliant. Everyone knew what they were doing when and there were lots of stewards who were very visible in their green tabards, making sure that things ran smoothly.
The catalogue was well laid out and had lots of info on the dogs entered.
The judging was really interesting to watch, Margrit's critiques were excellent and she was, as ever, outspoken if she saw anything she felt could be improved upon. A warning for the two day show - make sure your dog is well groomed or you will be publicly embarrassed!
The Bad
The presentation of awards was carried out at the end of the show with the first five in each class being presented together - lined up behind each other. It was incredibly difficult to get good photos like that, there was way too much hanging about and some of the dogs had already left. I think you need German Sieger level of organisation and discipline to make this idea work and think it would be better to present awards at the end of each class for now - give each dog it's moment of glory on the podium!
The bitework was described by the judge as a disaster. 4 males out of 12 entered passed the bitework - I am not sure how many were presented but I think most were. No bitches passed the bitework - 1 was presented (our own) and the other 9 were either not there or were withdrawn. In my humble opinion as a newcomer to the bitework discipline - I think the helpers could have helped the dogs more - I don't mean go soft on them (I didn't think the pressure put on the dogs was that great) but I think that the sleeve seemed to be quite low and most dogs went onto the sleeve but came off before the end of the exercise which seemed to me that they did not have full grips - sleeve position could have helped - I think.
The Ugly
As ever, the ugly was the politics. I avoided this as much as possible but heard that there was alot of bad things being said before and after about the show.
We can only move forward together!
Shirley Hutchinson
Mum, Zep and I went over to the Irish Sieger and had an enjoyable if not entirely successful day!
The Good
The venue is absolutely outstanding - it is no doubt that it would be the envy of most training clubs. It is spacious, extremely well-maintained and very well laid out.
The organisation was, in the main, brilliant. Everyone knew what they were doing when and there were lots of stewards who were very visible in their green tabards, making sure that things ran smoothly.
The catalogue was well laid out and had lots of info on the dogs entered.
The judging was really interesting to watch, Margrit's critiques were excellent and she was, as ever, outspoken if she saw anything she felt could be improved upon. A warning for the two day show - make sure your dog is well groomed or you will be publicly embarrassed!
The Bad
The presentation of awards was carried out at the end of the show with the first five in each class being presented together - lined up behind each other. It was incredibly difficult to get good photos like that, there was way too much hanging about and some of the dogs had already left. I think you need German Sieger level of organisation and discipline to make this idea work and think it would be better to present awards at the end of each class for now - give each dog it's moment of glory on the podium!
The bitework was described by the judge as a disaster. 4 males out of 12 entered passed the bitework - I am not sure how many were presented but I think most were. No bitches passed the bitework - 1 was presented (our own) and the other 9 were either not there or were withdrawn. In my humble opinion as a newcomer to the bitework discipline - I think the helpers could have helped the dogs more - I don't mean go soft on them (I didn't think the pressure put on the dogs was that great) but I think that the sleeve seemed to be quite low and most dogs went onto the sleeve but came off before the end of the exercise which seemed to me that they did not have full grips - sleeve position could have helped - I think.
The Ugly
As ever, the ugly was the politics. I avoided this as much as possible but heard that there was alot of bad things being said before and after about the show.
We can only move forward together!
Shirley Hutchinsonby Penny on 08 June 2010 - 13:06
What an excellent post Shirl, I know I`m your mum and biased on your feelings and opinions, but I have to say that sums the show up entirely, except to say that IT WAS NOT US THAT GOT THE ROASTING FOR AN UNKEMPT DOG ! Mo (mum of Hutch)
by Ally B on 08 June 2010 - 16:06
Hi Sirley /Mo
I agree with most of what you say. Venue is best in Ireland if not the UK . Organisation was good , but like you say certain things could be improved on. I,m sure the hard working committee will have learned alot from their experience .The number of absentees was dissappointing & the fact that so many Big named dogs failed the bite work only added to this .I didn,t hear any of the politics mentioned during the show but then I kept myself away from those who would stir . Decenting voices were definetley heard during the build up to the show . I liked the way the judge conducted her self & the way she delivered her critiqes . I didn,t always agree with her but thats dog showing for you (would we have it any other way LOL)That said we had a good day winning the puppy bitch class with a very good critique
Where I probably would disagree with you would be the bite work . I personally think the helpers were very good . I certainly know they are very experienced . The problem we have whether we like it or not is that a lot of our show dogs are either not strong enough or they are not trained properly . I will leave it to others to decide what is true . Too many of the dogs are sent to Germany to get a " fast track " working qualification & then when we get them home we don,t have the facilities or the experience to maintain the level of spirit required .Just my thoughts.
Regards
Ally
I agree with most of what you say. Venue is best in Ireland if not the UK . Organisation was good , but like you say certain things could be improved on. I,m sure the hard working committee will have learned alot from their experience .The number of absentees was dissappointing & the fact that so many Big named dogs failed the bite work only added to this .I didn,t hear any of the politics mentioned during the show but then I kept myself away from those who would stir . Decenting voices were definetley heard during the build up to the show . I liked the way the judge conducted her self & the way she delivered her critiqes . I didn,t always agree with her but thats dog showing for you (would we have it any other way LOL)That said we had a good day winning the puppy bitch class with a very good critique
Where I probably would disagree with you would be the bite work . I personally think the helpers were very good . I certainly know they are very experienced . The problem we have whether we like it or not is that a lot of our show dogs are either not strong enough or they are not trained properly . I will leave it to others to decide what is true . Too many of the dogs are sent to Germany to get a " fast track " working qualification & then when we get them home we don,t have the facilities or the experience to maintain the level of spirit required .Just my thoughts.
Regards
Ally
by geraldine bowden on 08 June 2010 - 18:06
Hi shirley ,could not agree moor with your post so very honest,we had a great day although we did not show our dog! I do recall seeing you there with your family and most of all your young male,i commend you on how well he looked as a matter of fact i like your young male and i could not take my eyes off him so well done. Easy know you did not lose your slicker brush
yours molly Browne
yours molly Browne
by Videx on 08 June 2010 - 18:06
Looking at the results the entry appears to lack both quality and quantity.
Having shown only once in Northern Ireland and witnessed first hand the 'politics' as well as the denial of such politics, I vowed never to show in Ireland or Northern Ireland again.
I must also say the 'politics' are obviously spreading throughout the UK, so I doubt I will be showing much in the future. I am content to join the 'spectators' at our shows, even though there is much less to observe, I am afraid it may only get worse. It appears that too few genuinely care about exactly what needs to be done and, exactly what needs to stop being done.
Having shown only once in Northern Ireland and witnessed first hand the 'politics' as well as the denial of such politics, I vowed never to show in Ireland or Northern Ireland again.
I must also say the 'politics' are obviously spreading throughout the UK, so I doubt I will be showing much in the future. I am content to join the 'spectators' at our shows, even though there is much less to observe, I am afraid it may only get worse. It appears that too few genuinely care about exactly what needs to be done and, exactly what needs to stop being done.
by Ally B on 08 June 2010 - 19:06
Hi David
I appreciate what you say bout the politics but this is a problem in dogs the world over . I agree about the quantity of the dogs being shown being poor but not the quality . Winners on the whole were very good specimens & believe me could hold their own on the mainland . The working class males would have been an excellent class but when you have dogs like Wilson vd Schnuuckenweide (German youth Sieger ) , Xaro Ben Harten (Sg 5 German Sieger show ) &,Barak vom Hamilberg (sg 50 German Sieger show ) & others failing man work (for what ever reason ?) then the quality is going to dwindle
Regards
Ally
I appreciate what you say bout the politics but this is a problem in dogs the world over . I agree about the quantity of the dogs being shown being poor but not the quality . Winners on the whole were very good specimens & believe me could hold their own on the mainland . The working class males would have been an excellent class but when you have dogs like Wilson vd Schnuuckenweide (German youth Sieger ) , Xaro Ben Harten (Sg 5 German Sieger show ) &,Barak vom Hamilberg (sg 50 German Sieger show ) & others failing man work (for what ever reason ?) then the quality is going to dwindle
Regards
Ally
by Videx on 08 June 2010 - 21:06
Hi Ally
I am fully aware this is a problem in dogs the world over. The SV now understand that this needs to be tackled with some determination, otherwise the decline will inevitably continue and dog showing will be a thing of the past in the not too distant future. I believe the 'politics' cannot be stopped so I prefer to leave now.
I am fully aware this is a problem in dogs the world over. The SV now understand that this needs to be tackled with some determination, otherwise the decline will inevitably continue and dog showing will be a thing of the past in the not too distant future. I believe the 'politics' cannot be stopped so I prefer to leave now.
by Ally B on 08 June 2010 - 21:06
Hi David
I totally agree with you about the politics & I sincerely hope you are correct in what you say about the SV recognising that they have a problem & intend to sort it but I think the problem is too deep rooted & when you hear some of the amounts of money involved then we are a long way off from a fix . How ever I live in Hope ( as i am very poor lol ) Good luck
Regards
Ally
I totally agree with you about the politics & I sincerely hope you are correct in what you say about the SV recognising that they have a problem & intend to sort it but I think the problem is too deep rooted & when you hear some of the amounts of money involved then we are a long way off from a fix . How ever I live in Hope ( as i am very poor lol ) Good luck
Regards
Ally
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