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by cmbv on 26 October 2009 - 09:10

I posted a few photos of a female working line GSD in a couple other threads. Tonight I am looking for any suggestions and insight into some strange behavior from her.

Molly is and always has been a dominate and at times aggressive pup. When I picked her up at 7wks old she snarled at my 4 month old male GSD when he sniffed at her. I did not worry much since she did very well on Leerburgs puppy test and showed no aggression or fear towards my husband or I just curiosity.

I have read that it is seldom that a pup younger than 8 months has a defense drive so I thought her breeder was FOS when he told me that she barked at visitors at less than 7 weeks. I was shocked to see her attack a wet vac at 9wks, throw herself into a car window after teenagers at 3 months. Then distressed when she snarled & snapped at me when she decided she didn't want to be brushed anymore. At five months she bit my hand when I reached for her collar , and she has snapped at me mutiple times when I gave her corrections with the prong collar. She will bark at every visitor to my home and living creature that passes my house. However, she will crawl into the lap of and give kisses to anyone who I have welcomed into the house without any aggression at all...  


 As far as her obedience,  when very young  she would ignore my husband who rarely had time to work with her but, would listen to the basic commands I gave her with  bouts of disobedience (she would refuse to lay down and TRY to stare me down during corrections) She would do this once or twice a week and then be perfect in between after she realized that I would make her do it and she was not intimidating me. Then after a while the corrections with her normal collar didn't phase her. She would just stare at me while I gave her correction after correction. The prong collar kept her under control for the most part but, when she knew it was not on she would occasionally disregard me. So, a few  weeks ago I bought a training collar and she became the perfect dog....for a week. She went from having multiple daily incontinent episodes in the crate each day to totally house broken IN ONE DAY! She performed commands at the drop of a hat, showed no aggression and was just perfect. She even seemed to act more goofy and happy than I had ever seen her act before. I was thrilled to see that she could received just one appropriate correction and then move on.


That was until Sat when she snarled at me and bit my arm when I pet her while she was chewing a bone.  I was sitting next to her in a chair and began to pet her while she ate. She was friendly, wagging her tail and calm at first. Once I was satisfied that food aggression wasn't a problem I turned around to read and began to pet her without looking at her. When I heard her snarl I looked at her in time to see he lunge for my arm. I gave her a correction via training collar and then flipped her on her back and stared her down. The next morning she voided in her crate and again began to ignore commands in spite of corrections and tried again  to stare me down...



When she showed the first signs of aggression I read a few Leerburg articles on dominate dogs and dealing w/ aggression.  I made several adjustments to her training such as allowing her nothing for free: food, toys and time out of the crate are earned with obedience. Aggressive behavior results in corrections via training collar then isolation. I have made a point to work with her while eating her entire life. I would play with her kibble, raw food and toys looking for any guarding or aggression and until this week saw none.

The confusing part of her behavior is she is not a nasty dog if that makes sense...  She loves to crawl into laps


by cmbv on 26 October 2009 - 09:10

and give kisses. She is a happy, and confident dog never seems fearful or distressed. She gets limited time with my male GSd to prevent her from bonding with him over myself.

Is this a phase she is in right now or a glimpse of the future?  I do not mind putting in lots of work with her to fix this, I knew a working line GSD would require work and steady training. I just miss my sweet little buddy and I want this escalating aggression to stop

by VomMarischal on 26 October 2009 - 13:10

This is going to sound stupid, but I had a friend (a Sch judge) whose dog went aggressive at that age. They x-rayed the dog and discovered that he already had severe dysplasia and had to be put down.

Sometimes pain causes a very short fuse. I sure hope that's not it. I think I'd be taking that puppy to the ground every time she acted wrong, assuming it's not a physical problem.

VomRuiz

by VomRuiz on 26 October 2009 - 13:10

One thing I will say is that at 6 months old you should not be using a prong collar on her. Puppies should be trained with motivation and not pain. I would wait until after a year old before using one on a dog. A prong on a puppy can cause mountains of temperment problems, from fear to shyness to aggression.

Stacy

by 1doggie2 on 26 October 2009 - 15:10

I agree with others have her vetted, to be sure nothing else is causing her short fuse. If not you are on the right road in being she works for everything and any behavoiur you do not want later start correcting now. I have found the most aggravating at puppy stages are the best as adults, you spend so much time working them the bond is stronger. I would start feeding her from the bowl out of your hand. Food and toy aggression can be big problems later. I would also get her into puppy training classes, everyone hates the "petsmart" classes, but they come in handy, cheap, and controlled enviroment, I use them for social skills. I use to use my regular trainier, then find some cheap group classes and go as many times a week as I could. The OB part of the class was not my goal, side benefit. I would also find things to stimulte her mind and make her think, they get tired more when they have to use thier mind, even more so than physical excerise. Patients and order will get you thru.

by mobjack on 26 October 2009 - 20:10



by cmbv on 26 October 2009 - 21:10

I have taken her to the vet on several occasions for this issue, her ear and the incontinence.  He felt x rays were not required since she moves well and shows no sign of pain during exam. I will ask about that again at our next visit to be sure. 

I am sure many ppl have had great luck only using positive motivation with dogs her age and like her. However, Molly is an exception to that rule. I tried using her ball drive, praise, food and multiple other rewards to get her to listen. I was consistently ignored during that phase and he aggression worsened. I would also put her in her crate after she disregarded me and isolate her so, she would see she had to earn her time with me. No luck

When she started to show aggression she got corrections. I am not waiting for a dog that is almost 70lbs at 6 months to reach her full size and then try to break that mind set.  As the corrections lost effectiveness they were increased with her behavior. 

Molly had a good day today. I took her for a two mile hike and she heeled perfectly and minded me the entire way ignoring my husband and his male GSD.  That is what makes it hard with her, she will be perfect for a bit and then just decide she is sick of it.

My husband wants me to start giving her a job like tracking to see if she has something to put her mind to if it will help.  He was going to try her at Schh but as well as she would do well  with it we are afraid it would ruin her as a pet.

So I guess we keep at it...

by JasonL on 26 October 2009 - 21:10

What was your original plan with her?

She's from working line, right? You gotta get the girl out and teach her something. That's what she is bred to do.

RLHAR

by RLHAR on 26 October 2009 - 23:10

How would training her in Schutzhund ruin her as a pet?

by tiffae89 on 26 October 2009 - 23:10

I agree with RLHAR? How will it ruin her?

Tiffany





 


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