Breeders policy - Page 1

Hello, What is in general a breeders policy if the puppy he sold turns out to have HD later in live and the puppy was sold as a sport and breeding prospect?Any input on this is highly welcome!

depends on breeder - did you get a contract? did you get any written guarantee? is the breeder in the US or in Europe??? most European breeders do not give guarantees - there is an inherent risk for HD in this breed and all buyers should educate them selves and realize that fact. No one breeds expecting or wanting to produce HD, but all knowledgeable breeders and buyers realize there is a risk...buyers have to take responsiblity for that risk just like breeders - so depending on the price you paid, where you got the pup and the contract, you may get a partial refund, a replacement pup or a pup at a reduced price ***IF*** you have a contract!!! Of course, HD should be verified via either OFA, SV or whatever scheme is official in your country or that of breeder

The expression "later in life" needs to be explained. For example, a dog that receives an "a" stamp or an O.F.A. rating may become dysplastic later in life due to degenerative joint disease, essentially arthritis. While the hip construction did not change, the disease can cause a failure with the O.F.A.. As Kougar referenced; what does your contract say? Do you have a contract? If not, the best that can be done is to attempt a negotiation with the breeder. In the United States, many of us warrant the hips to pass the O.F.A. or the S.V. at the appropriate minimumm ages, but nothing past that. There is only so much that the breeder can predict and more importantly, control. Bob-O

Sorry, I should have been more clear.The dog is 18 month old and we were told he will not pass OFA.The breeders website states that his puppies are guaranteet to be suitet for breeding and sport and free of any hereditary desease. The dam's lines are out of Fax v. Haus Bernhard-Mader!

Do you have a written contract guaranteeing your dog??? People can say whatever they want on a website.... a contract is the only legal way to be certain of that though... "we were told he will not pass OFA".. who told you this?? OFA??? Please elaborate.....

"we were told he will not pass OFA".. Most vet will say this so the owner will not waste thier time/money sending it in to OFA. Also how do the x-ray/film look is it correct? some vet do not know how to postion the hips right. I have seen this personally. Again how does the contract read. if no contract you are SOL

I think you answered your own question. Breeders site says they are guaranteed. Now some say you have to return the dog. This is a catch so not to have to honor the guarantee. They count on you being in love with the dog and not returning it, so they don't have to honor it. Reputable breeders that have an advertised guarantee replace the dog with a puppy of equal value as the pup you purchased and don't require return of the dog but usually demand spade neuter. Most breeders will want copies of the x-rays and vet contact. Most will have the x-rays re-evaluated. Also some have it in the contract that the dog must be x-rayed first time at 12 months. Some breeders do not have a guarantee at all. Thta does not make them un-reputable it is just the philospy thatthe breeder cannot control what happens to a puppy after it leaves their kennel. but even they will usually work with you on things that you could not have had any influence on. Mike

Sport, again examine your contract and prepare to negotiate a suitable settlement with the breeder; a replacement puppy, some money back, another puppy at a reduced price, etc.. No contract? Then make the best negotiation that you can; realizing that the only solution may be for you to keep a dysplastic dog. If this is the case, then enjoy the companionship of that dog as a member of your family. Prepare to have another evaluating x-ray done by another veterinarian, as your breeder probably will. While most exerienced veterinarians can make a very accurate assumption of hip quality, there is a chance that your veterinarian may be wrong. None of us can guarantee hip quality-no matter how hard we try to produce passing hips with the best breeding stock. We can only guarantee what we will do if the dog is truly dysplastic. Anyone who says differently is misrepresenting a hard fact of life called reality. Sport, I wish you the best of luck with whatever is your outcome. Bob-O

I should add that if the dog is determined to have borderline hip dysplasie, he MAY still pass as "a" noch Zugelassen through the S.V.. Also, a young dog may be determined by the O.F.A. to have borderline dysplasie, the O.F.A. will often ask for a resubmission after six (6) months have passed. If there were no changes due to DJD, then the dog will usually pass. Again, the best of luck, Bob-O

I should add that if the dog is determined to have borderline hip dysplasie, he MAY still pass as "a" noch Zugelassen through the S.V.. Also, a young dog may be determined by the O.F.A. to have borderline dysplasie, the O.F.A. will often ask for a resubmission after six (6) months have passed. If there were no changes due to DJD, then the dog will usually pass. Again, the best of luck, Bob-O