Information about the Old German Shepherd Dog - Page 1

I know this type of dog was referred to all Shepherd dogs in Germany before the German Shepherd was offically named it but can someone give me some information on the Modern breed that is called The Old German Shepherd Dog? I came across it when i was reading about GSD's on wiki. Is it a actual breed that decends from the original old shepherd dogs or is just recreated from different breeds to resemble the old dogs?

"The modern Old German Shepherd consists of dogs whose ancestry can be traced to before establishment of the German Shepherd Dog. The breed standard requires the animal to be capable of herding sheep and cattle. In 2008, the German Society for the Conservation of Old and Endangered Livestock Breeds (GEH) listed the breed as "extremely vulnerable" to extinction" - Wikipedia

I found this, it is supposed to be a link to their site (GEH).  Only thing is, it is in German so I have no idea what it is about.

http://www.g-e-h.de/geh/index.php

And this explains that GEH, affilliated with SAVE foundation, are non-profit breed and cultivated agri-plant conservation organizations.

http://www.elbarn.net/elbarn/Partners/tabid/115/Default.aspx

Beetree, just a side note...  I recently switched from IE to Google Chrome for my web browser and one of the benefits I found is that when you go to a German website it will ask you if you want to translate it!  Very handy :)  I really like Google Chrome, this is just one of the perks!  Some of the words may not translate well or at all, but you can at least understand it and read most of it. 

Thanks, well now it makes more sense, lol!

The Old German Shepherd might be more easily understood as Old German, shepherd dogs.  They are not one breed type but a collection of the old bloodlines used by family farmers for centuries, (I would imagine). Therefore, there is no modern Old German shepherd dogs, just the dogs they are talking about. What did happen was when Von Stephanitz created the modern breed of today we call the German Shepherd Dog, he would have drawn on such local stock. 

More or less, I think what I wrote is true. 

I believe what you're looking for is information on the Altdeutscher Schäferhunde. 

http://www.vomeggetraum.de/
http://www.von-fenjas-garden.eu/

This is the national club for the Altdeutscher Schäferhunde, akin to the SV for the GSD:

http://www.asvd.de/

Most of the info on the web is in German, but if you do a web search for the term and check out the pages, some of them may offer a version in English...and then there's always translation sites like Google Translate...

Here's a website of a breeder in Nova Scotia, so this is in English:
http://www.vetesegermanshepherds.com/main/page_home.html

Hexe, I'm afraid I have to disagree. One of the outcrosses done by the Shiloh breed founder, Tina Barber, was to an Altdeutscher Schaeferhund. I have seen his pedigee, and his ancestors are almost all SV registered dogs, mainly working lines.

Trilllium's Artus zum Sohrewald  http://www.shilohshepherds.com/trilliumadforlettercocoartus.PDF

Here are his grandparents: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=29935 
                                        http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=98816 


His parents aren't SV registered, because they were longcoats, and were registered with the ASVD (Altdeutscher Schaeferhund Verband). I'm not sure about this, but I think the ASVD came into existence as an alternative registry to the SV, one that would not refuse to give the longcoats full registration.

I think what the OP is talking about are dogs like this, that were not GSDs, but which formed the genepool of farm dogs and shepherds from which Max drew to start the breed:



I believe this picture was in the very first edition of Max's book, but did not appear in later editions.  Looking at it helps me understand how we now and then get a panda shepherd showing up in pure GSD bloodlines!

Sunsilver  yeah i was talking about the german shepherd dogs before the german shepherd if that makes sense lol

The dogs in that painting are stunning :)

BTW, I just figured out the caption reads:

Deutsche stockharrige schaeferhunde, which translates as 'stockhair German shepherd dogs.'

Not sure what you're disagreeing with, Sunsilver--I offered no opinion, I only provided some reference sites to the animal the OP asked about.

No offense, Browser and Sunsilver, but this IS what Browser initially said:

 I know this type of dog was referred to all Shepherd dogs in Germany before the German Shepherd was offically named it but can someone give me some information on the Modern breed that is called The Old German Shepherd Dog?

The modern breed called the Old German Shepherd Dog. In German, the Old German Shepherd Dog translates to 'der Altdeutscher Schäferhunde.'

Longcoats are NOT denied registration by the SV--they simply are disqualified from the show ring, and are ineligible for breeding.

Browser, if you actually want info on the regional shepherd dogs that went into creating what we now know as the German Shepherd Dog, that's an entirely different question...

hexe i was asking about the type of shepherd dog that wasnt considered a breed back in the old days but i read somewhere online that the type of dog has been bred into a new breed. I kinda wanna know about the old dogs and about the breed that is said be the decendents of the old dogs