schIII/police dog - Page 6

Good points Oskar1. When that young, genetically and physicaaly sound dog is found, the real work is just beginning. I equate a young, genetically and physically sound prospect to a mound of unmolded clay. The handler, decoys and trainers of this future all around dog must be mold and shape behavior and build a SOLID foundation for future skills whether they be trial field/show ring or the street. The best prospect available will become nothing without skilled people bringing him/her along on the right path. They must instill confidence so that they will perform their job no matter what the weather, footing or distractions. Patience, knowledge and hard work pay off one hundredfold!!!!!

Preston, my english is limited......but i bow to you, you put my thoughts into the right words ! Thank You ! Regards Ulli Dresbach

I agree Preston!

BRAVO MAKGAS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!BUT,you will never get the answer you are looking for on here.

AlabamaK9, I visited your web site and viewed the photos and videos and progeny of Zindane. I haven't seen Zindane in person, but after viewing your photos and videos of him, it seems obvious that you've got a rock solid GSD that could be trained to do anything. I would bet that his success in Schutzhund is just one expression of his good and correct temperament, and normal learned behavior for a dog with his high mental capacity. I also think that your photo of him posted on this web site doesn't do him justice. His rear angles are more evident on your web photos and videos and look better there. I like his dark sable pigment and good male head and expression. I also thought the puppie photos sired by him showed a lot of confidence in their expressions and the "fire in the eyes" look we all want in our GSDs. Zindane looks to be a very worthy dog.

<<<>>> What percentage of Patrol officers can be thrown in a crack house and do there job, very few. That's what S.W.A.T. deployment is for. Officer safety. Same as the dog, I would not throw a SchH dog in to do the work of a street dog. Just as I would not deploy a regular patrol dog for high risk insertion if it was not trained to work with S.W.A.T. Tactics. It's all in the training. For the German Shepherd you have Sport, Work, Show, Pet. there you have it. Show is bred/trained to the extreme to do ...Show. Sport is bred/trained to do the extreme...SPORT. We need to get away from the extremes if we want to get back to a well balanced german Shepherd that can be trained for any job. I've said this many times and so have others. Yes the sport dogs have been bred to be high prey/play/ball drive for the sport and you'll always have a few that can do the civil work. The Police dogs do more serious realistc work but can't compete in SchH for the points and shouldn't. The street dog needs to be a little dirty, needs strong fight drive to deal with some of the crime element you have out there, last thing I need is a patrol dog that is too clean and correct. But at this point forget the Golden middle we are too far gone.

As far as the Hard dog :) very few people really know how to work these dogs. So when we have these type of dogs it is very difficult to place them as we have many more pet homes out there than sport homes , let alone homes for these Hard dogs. Even most K-9 handlers are not capable of handling these dogs. Not their fault it's just a lot of them are given a dog, then get pushed through a 6 week handlers course, and whalla you have a K9 unit and then the officers are wondering why they spend more time in the hospital getting stitched up than they do in the field. I'm exaggerating a bit here, but you know what I mean.

Preston, Thank you he is a very unique dog as hard as they come and stable. I never run and put him away when childen come to visit the kennel. His nerves and intelligence are something. He has never hacked up not one time, has zero dog aggression, has a presence I have never seen in a GSD ever. He steps out like he owns the world no matter were he is. I bought him for stud because he produces himself over and over which very few dogs ever do. He also has no handler aggression as well. He is a credit to his breed.

AlabamaK9, you have made the point well here that what you have in Zindane is "THE STANDARD" for temperament and what should be normal for the breed. We need dogs like Zindane that are stable, sound, display good judgement, loyal, true, loving, and extreme in defense and fighting in progressively justified steps. This kind of temperament allows such a GSD to be trained for anything from loyal pet to working/professional duty dog. Do the words "trustworthy and predictable" apply here to the dog's overall temperament? I expect so. Let's breed for this golden middle, the "normal" that Capt. Von Stephanitz taught. A good tempermented GSD has the intelligence, intuition and judgement to know the difference between no threat, a possible threat and a real-time threat and can act appropriately and in measured as-needed force. These dogs such as Zindane as you know are worth their weight in gold.

Bobby V, it's good to hear from such a seasoned expert in training with your level of knowledge about temperament. You make your point well about what Schutzhund is really about, the taking of a sound, stable dog and training it for defense and ending up with a sound, stable dog that can operate reliably and safely and yet effectively at defense upon command of the handler/trainer. The only thing worse than a GSD with poor temperament is one that is Schutzhund trained with poor temperament. Can you recommend any GSD stud dogs or lines that you have recognized for producing sound, excellent and correct temperament and great trainability based on your many years of experience?