schIII/police dog - Page 5

Markgas Asking about Zidane pups, there are two males on pedigreedatabase that are SCH3 with very impressive scores at young ages. Hutch v Waldwinkel SCH3, FH at 21 months with high scores. Also Hasko vd Mohnwiese SCH3 and on the database his SCH1 score was 292 and his SCH2 and SCH3 was not listed but the SCH2 he got 290 and the SCh3 he got 292.

Yavo v Saltalblick has a litter in VA right now with John from the Richmond club He says the dog is unbeleivable and his off spring have incredable drive plus seem vey dominate at 6 wks I have not seen the litter myself am hoping to drive there next week if the 2 puppies that are not spoken for are still available but I do know of a 1 yr old bitch in North Carolina that I tried to buy that is out of him who is doing PSA (what a waste)that would put many males to shame

Uglydog, It takes more than just breeding. Yes, my dog is bred for the work. His sire is Tom Van 'T Leefdaalhof. You, though, must add the facts that we have access to knowledgeable and capable decoys and trainers. We have administrators that support our goals and spend the dollars for training , equipment and dogs (My husband and I own our own dogs). All of us in our Unit train hard just like it is "on the street". I spend the time (hours and hours!!) to do both schutzhund and K-9. Not all K-9 handlers out there have the luxuries that I and the handlers in our Unit have, but nonetheless they are out there day in and day out doing the best they can with what they have or have been given.

Thank yoiu for sharing the story k1184. i see strong schutzhund lines are able to produce strong working dogs. thank you for the feedback on zidane's male progeny, Hudson;

Ana I checked out the picture of Greif and although not stacked he really does look strong and beautiful. GSDONLINE would I be able to get your contact information for Greif's owner please and am I correct in assuming that he is a SCHH1 working towards a SCHH3? or has he stopped working?

MARIOM PLEASE SEND ME YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION AT: GSDONLINE@HOTMAIL.COM AND I WILL GET YOU WHAT I CAN.

Sorry Ana. I meant to say thank you for sending me his contact information. I copied the e-mail you sent me and posted his information mistakenly. I did not do this on purpose. Sorry again everyone

k1184 Excellent example your dog while hard is stable and this is the breeding and genetics. Some Police departments do not always get a dog from quality bloodlines as yours. I do not have a dog here that cannot be brought out for the public or see or interact with but I also have nothing male and female that cannot be civil as well. If you breed stable hard dogs without thin nerves you can produce a dog suitable for family as well as Police and sport. Genetics is the key. We just sold a Zidane son to Cape Coral PD with Dave Mconnell and he is doing fine. He trains his own and titles them before they go on the force. His older dog is retiring in the next year or so and this is his replacement.

Hi There, k1184, very well said. Congrats on your dog. As mentioned before, whos going to handle all these " civil aggressive dogs " ? Before my backsurgery i used do be a helper, not on any LGZ level or comperible, but i handelt a lot of dogs. I would say i can scare away 85 % of all dogs that are trained on normal trainingfield doing Sch. But only OUTSIDE of this field ! Most dogs will only bite on that field as they were trained to do so. I said it before ..... if you have a poodledoodle that has what it takes to be a drugdog, and is trained that way, he'll do a great job ! It is not really relevant of what certain bloodline a dog is coming from, if one is able to see a certain potaintial in a dog and promotes it. All this talk about to have " workingline" or "showline" dog is pretty helourius to me. "Good" K9, working the streets can only be "working line breed" GSD is just ridiculess, it's about what you train your dog. i have seen "workinglines bred" dogs beeing perfect family companions, as i have seen "showline bred" dogs working the streets ! Hey, folks,i' have annother beer ! Regards Ulli Dresbach

I guess I view this subject from a different perspective. In my view a GSD with correct temperament is totally versatile and can function in any capacity, professional, Sch., ring sport, tracking, seeing eye, cadaver, drug or pet in the home. I have had some very hard dogs, and one with advanced Sch degrees. I kept all of these throughout their lives since they were stable and sound mentally, trustworthy around family, children, friends, and strangers when in public when on leash. The hardest, most courageous dogs I have ever had in over 35 years were also the most stable mentally and outgoing, confident and proud, and had the strongest defensive fight reactions when challenged, plus pronounced prey drive (none ever flinched around gunfire, firecrackers, and ran to these loud noises wity much curiousity). Their ability to attach to myself and other family members (and even my cats and other family dogs)was also very prominant as was their extreme devotion and loyalty to us. A good GSD tempermentally is just a good dog and can be trained to function in any capacity. This is what Captain Von Stephanitz promoted for the breed. Over the years I have had some dogs with faulty temperament which had a pronounced defense reaction when unjustified (not stable mentally)and/or were short of prey drive, and they were not good family pets--these dogs would fight when provoked by an agitator but would break when seriously stressed). I have seen many GSDs with faulty temperament even from the best working and show W.Germ lines. I have also seen some ones with perfect temperament from both. And strangely enough I have even seen an occasional American (Lance based) GSD with perfect temperament. It just does happen once and a while. I am sick and tired of hearing all the sophisticated excuses for the dog (he was not trained properly, etc. etc.,) when the dog's temperament is not correct to the standard. I think that some of the dog sport folks have gotten so pidgeonholed in their sport and near-sighted that they see their sport as a means to an end rather than an expression of the standard temperament any good GSD should display. I just can't stand the mild EPI ridden long-backed string beans with no pigment that have severe prey drive with way too much defensive reaction, appearing as nerve endings and completely unsuitable for anything other than Sch or ring sport and only in a very limited capacity in that (these dogs are not correct and make poor family pets). A correct tempermented GSD can do it all.