schIII/police dog - Page 4

Makgas, Have no idea were the females are better than the males with Zidane? I have a idea that since he does produce so consistant that his females are as good as the males, not better.

Quote: Kougar-exactly my point. You can't breed litter after litter of these hard dogs and find homes for them all. The people who do breed these dogs, have to cull or at the very least, be prepaired to house them all. Planning way ahead and selling your pups before the breeding even takes place is a huge part. This way if the want is out there for that kind of breeding, you can do it responsibly. This isn't something for every body." ********************************************* Exactly - the market is innundated with puppies - and placing them is something I feel is a serious responsibility....I am not a professional commercial breeder and only breed occasionally - and work with the bloodlines I use and want to use. I bred only one litter - although I tried to repeat it due to interest generated by that litter - from my first HOT Schh3 KKL1 female - but as the pups matured [and I am training one of them!]they are proving to be more "real" than "sport" - and do really need experienced homes and training guidance - I see no reason to produce a more serious civil dog even though these are balanced and social - but very very civil and not sleeve oriented - the sport people want certain lines and pet people certain looks - I see absolutely no reason to breed a litter to sell as pets - and am not eager or in a logistical position to breed a litter to raise to sell as police dogs either.

Hi Trace755. I asked him the same question a while back and he told me he leaves it on capitals as he is a one-finger typist and he finds it difficult to capitalize. I know the male he speaks of Greif Vom Elbsandstein. I saw the dog at a trial and he was a real dog no question about it. I'll agree with everything Gsdonline says about him. He seemed very well socialised but no one at the trial really felt comfortable around him. It was funny to see and I agree with Makgas' comments about how certain clubs are training. It is what I saw at the trial other than Greif. I was in the stands and I watched him practice and then do his protection and everyone watched this dog and stopped talking other than the occassional "Ho_y SH_t". When the helper walked off the field I heard him say "What the F_ _ k was that" He thought he was going to be attacked but the dog did stay relatively(ha ha ha) clean. The best way I could describe this was a street worthy performance on a sport field. I have never seen the female but heard of her so I can't personally comment on her. I spoke to Greif's owner and I will breed Greif to my female later this fall if everything works out. That is how impressed I personally was.

BP, I went back to that list (top stud dogs) to take a look and I noticed you listed Basko Vom Haus Nixdorf. Could you tell me anything about him we have a female imported in whelp from this sire and I have no information on him at all. We wanted her breed to Ufo Van Guy's Hof but she had already been breed to Basko. Thank you Marlene

I am a K-9 handler with a large K-9 Unit in the US. My partner is Sch3,FH2, KKL2(LBZ) and is cross-trained Patrol/Cadaver. 7 months ago he saved my life with the fight of his life as a now convicted felon (5 felony charges--5 pending) attempted to harm both me and my partner as an attempt was made to effect an arrest. My dog and this guy broke furniture as they fought. The bad guy went to jail (hospital first!) and I went home without a scratch. My partner and I give demos in schools, for senior citizens, boyscouts, special events, then,we can turn around and participate in a SWAT raid/patrol route, jail sweep or just normal K-9 duties. My partner can, also, do, as some of you call it, "pattern work". Both of my husband's Patrol K-9's are Sch3 as well as very "real" dogs "on the street". In my humble opinion, I believe proper foundation,excellent genetics, structure, temperament and careful selection all playe keys roles in having a good dog the can be effective all around. Just buying the candidate with the "fire" and drive isn't going to give you the "for real" all around candidate. You must have knowledgeable people to support your goals and the handler must have the drive and desire to use that training and knowledge to produce the clear minded all around dog that is effective both "on the field" or "on the street"!

YES I AM A TERRIBLE TYPER. SORRY FOR ALL THE CAPITALS. THE FEMALE IS EVA VOM HAUS PUCCI. ANA WAS CORRECT ABOUT THE MALE. YOU CAN SEE HER PICTURE IN HERE ALTHOUGH I THINK SHE IS TERRIBLY POSITIONED AND E-MAILED THE OWNER A WHILE BACK THAT HE REALLY SHOULD UPDATE THAT PICTURE. KOUGAR MAKES A GREAT POINT. THE ONE ADVANTAGE THIS BREEDING WILL HAVE IS THE CONFORMATION AND THE BLACK AND RED COLOR. IF THERE ARE ANY PET HOME PUPPIES IT IS THE COLOR THEY(PET HOME) MUCH TEND TO PREFER IN THEIR GSD'S.

K1184. VERY WELL SAID AND CONGRATULATIONS. I AM SURE YOU ARE AWARE THAT YOUR DOG IS TRULY AN EXCEPTION AND WHEN THE FIGHT GOT MORE AND MORE SERIOUS HE PROVED HIS WORTH AND DID HIS ROLE. A BEAUTIFUL EXAMPLE TO ALL THOSE QUESTIONING IF THERE ARE ANY "REAL" GERMAN SHEPHERDS LEFT AND WHY THIS BREED OUTLASTS ALL THE FADS.

WHY THIS BREED OUTLASTS ALL THE FADS Love that!

Here is a dog that has done both Stormfront's Brawnson, SchH 3, IPO 3, FH, DPO 2, WPO, Kkl. 2, DL 70331401, SG, OFA Fair (19-02-1994) (Working Dual Purpose Patrol/Narcotics, SWAT Team A very hard dog that produced very hard dogs that werre usually only sold to working homes. I never got the pleasure of meeting this dog but have worked some of his progeny. So yes it can be done. Usually you do not see Sch 3 police dogs. Too expensive and most K-9 handlers really don't have time to do both police training and SCH. When I buy Police K-9's I usually buy SCH trained dogs, most are ready to title most have BH AD. Then we convert them to police work, alot of hidden sleeve, muzzle, and civil agitation with no equipment. We train them in real life situations, building searches, open area- not blinds. Tracking we train them to track both footstep and air scent and to cut off the track if the person doubled back when the dog air scents them. These are hard but stable dogs. They do out, as liability says they have to release the bad guy. They do call back, even when the decoy continues running. We train dogs that are social, good in crowds, well controled, and good with kids. The so called man eater, bites everyone and anyone that you here people brag about that no one can get around are a liability that most police departments don't want. The dogs are out there but two in April, social yet in bite work tries to rip your arm off and muzzle hits hard enough to leave nice bruises and when you go to the ground with the dog it is all over you. These dogs take very hard stick hits and all it does is piss them off. I can also say that one of the dogs I bought off this site as my normal contact only had one suitable dog at the time and I needed 2. Yet, they can still be around people, other officers can go in the building with the handler and not get bit. The best part is they can be around the officers family without worry. Train hard fight hard and you will get a harder dog.

K1184-your story gave me chills! Thats too cool. Can I say something w/out getting jumped on? Thats what your dog was bred for and he did his job, only too well. Ive emphasized that this shouldnt be the exception but the rule, if Max V Stefanitz had his way and breeders followed that ideal. Maybe Im a purist, snob, jackass..I dont care, call me what you want, but I believe in following these ideals set forth. It becomes too easy to water down a dog once it becomes desireable for pet and popularity-ala Rin Tin Tin the movie, indiscriminate breeding for pet and show. Not to slight you at all, Im proud of you and your dog and think your dog deserves a pat and a bone and other breeders work to produce as fine an animal as what you have.