schIII/police dog - Page 2

makgas, I dont think many sch3 dogs would be suitable for the street, but i also think not many k9's are suitable for the street. Ive only seen a few k9's that were really nice dogs, ive even seen some that would barely bite. you have to understand that 99% of people involved in schutzhund are just having fun and have no need for a really strong dog. it also will depend on what dogs and clubs you are exposure too. you may be seeing just a few dogs that arent very good. I do a bit of helper work and the guy who taught me said "be strong, strong helper work makes good dogs great, great dogs awesome and sh*t dogs go home". not to say that we dont have any weak dogs, but if they are weak they WILL work to the absolute best of their ability. If not they need to get off our field. Every dog at our club has been worked on a suit (except mine) and id be willing to say the majority would ready for the street in 1 or 2 days. but we train to bring power and aggression, some clubs may not. I agree that it is way to easy to get pronounced, and quite frankly its an insult to the dogs that bring the power and drive. I think that a lot of dogs get pronuonced at their home field w/ the home helper. id like to see it be very hard to get pronounced, but w/ so many judges and trails, how do we decided.

so what happens with those pups you just described cougar; those that can do both... those pups are the ones that could potentially do real protection, obedience with the right handler, and if the dog has the natural abilities, tracking... i'm not a breeder nor in contact with breeders but i see what's out there so that's why i placed the message it is frustrating seeing protection routines today in trials... again, nothing against schutzhund, it is my sport; i like a social dog that is a companion and i enjoy training with at nights when i get home like everybody else, but i think the breed is missing and losing the intensity it had 20-30 years ago...

Kougar-exactly my point. You can't breed litter after litter of these hard dogs and find homes for them all. The people who do breed these dogs, have to cull or at the very least, be prepaired to house them all. Planning way ahead and selling your pups before the breeding even takes place is a huge part. This way if the want is out there for that kind of breeding, you can do it responsibly. This isn't something for every body.

so my question again, where do those dogs go?

are you saying that kind of dog is not bred anymore because of problems placing them? it seems contradictory after seeing what websites keep on advertising, i.e., civil,hardness, extreme drives.... sounds after visiting websites that's the kind of pup everybody is trying to sell you; who hasn't heard, "these pups are alligators", "not for the faint of heart", "serious streak on them already"... these are the points people use as sellers of their dogs... but now you 4pakc and cougar are telling me that these breedings are liabilities and not worth pursuin them...

and once again, im not proposing a crazy, man killer dog; a serious civil dog with drives for work and wiht a clear head is what defines a german shepherd; it's all in stephanitz's book...

i grew up with a shepherd, 30 years ago, a bicolor; a small dog, probably 65-70 lbs; that was a real dog; loyal but serious; i could tell you stories but i won't go into romantic digression...

No absolutly I am NOT saying this kind of dog is not bred anymore. Just not in the quantities of Sch or pet quality dogs. Some of these people claiming , extreme, alligators and such, are full of crap and just trying to sell pups. These breedings can be liabilities but I think are soooo worth pursuing. What I am trying to get accross is that 99% of people can't or shouldn't handle these dogs and it's up to the breeder to put these dogs in the correct hands, not just any idiot who hands them cash. Only select handlers and trainers, K-9 officers and para military personel should be handling these dogs. I wouldn't want a dog of this calibur trotting through the park with my neighbors kids. Get my drift?

You might want to check out Yavo v Salztalblick a bone crusher

I do get your drift, but again where are these pups? where do they go? what happens when "you come across" a litter like that? pups of these caliber should be the aim of any breeding done by any german shepherd dog breeder. and i also believe these dogs belong with sensible people , repeat sensible, not just top handlers and trainers or military personel; i have to disagree with you there. again, who are the select breeders?