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by pepke on 10 January 2012 - 00:01
Clubs, Organizations, Judges, Dogs, Decoys, Trainers whatever is involved in the sport, what do you think about it ?
by workingdogz on 10 January 2012 - 00:01
I wish the clubs/people would worry less about what club is better and just get back to schutzhund.
Bring back the old reed stick, bring back the courage rating system.
Bring back a real test of courage, never mind using "softer" words like 'grip', 'long bite".
Just bring back schutzhund
Don't worry about people being members of as many clubs as they want to, just let them trial!
It's hard enough to make it to trials/breed surveys etc in this country, why make it harder?
Lots of good trial decoys around, less good training decoys.
As it is, it's all we got right now.
Bring back the old reed stick, bring back the courage rating system.
Bring back a real test of courage, never mind using "softer" words like 'grip', 'long bite".
Just bring back schutzhund
Don't worry about people being members of as many clubs as they want to, just let them trial!
It's hard enough to make it to trials/breed surveys etc in this country, why make it harder?
Lots of good trial decoys around, less good training decoys.
As it is, it's all we got right now.
by ramgsd on 10 January 2012 - 00:01
Amen, Workingdogz. I just hope the judges grade the dog in protection the way the new rules state they should. Emphasis on a true H&B (not prey barking) and greater importance on the power in the escape rather than on a full grip.
Trying to think possitively about everyone being in the sport of IPO. I think this might be a good step. Not only so that everyone, and their dogs, around the world are held to the same rules. So we can see exzctly how the dogs stack up against each other. But it might be a good thing to have everyone united if and when the Humaniacs actually try and stop all bite work sports. Harder to stop a large group than a bunch of smaller ones.
Rick
Trying to think possitively about everyone being in the sport of IPO. I think this might be a good step. Not only so that everyone, and their dogs, around the world are held to the same rules. So we can see exzctly how the dogs stack up against each other. But it might be a good thing to have everyone united if and when the Humaniacs actually try and stop all bite work sports. Harder to stop a large group than a bunch of smaller ones.
Rick
by Jyl on 10 January 2012 - 01:01
WorkingDogz,
AMEN to that!!
AMEN to that!!
by Slamdunc on 10 January 2012 - 03:01
Well said.
by Detroit SchH on 10 January 2012 - 04:01
I think we schutzhunder's should not scurry around changing rules to make animal-rights-weirdos and general public
(who dont even know what they are seeing) happy. I have never heard of any "humane-iacs" interupting training or
trials. Have they?
The new bite-command-rule, on the escape bite, that cannot be a command to "bite" is insane to me. I feel like it is to make
the general public happy and that's all. What was wrong with the escape exercise how it was?
And now we are changing the name of our sport from "Schutz hund" (protection dog) to whatever IPO means.
Oh yeah, and the new name for stick hits is the "stick pressure test". We schutzhunder's need not be ashamed that
our sport has stick HITS and dogs that BITE (not grip) when we tell them to.
(who dont even know what they are seeing) happy. I have never heard of any "humane-iacs" interupting training or
trials. Have they?
The new bite-command-rule, on the escape bite, that cannot be a command to "bite" is insane to me. I feel like it is to make
the general public happy and that's all. What was wrong with the escape exercise how it was?
And now we are changing the name of our sport from "Schutz hund" (protection dog) to whatever IPO means.
Oh yeah, and the new name for stick hits is the "stick pressure test". We schutzhunder's need not be ashamed that
our sport has stick HITS and dogs that BITE (not grip) when we tell them to.
by Gustav on 10 January 2012 - 04:01
Good post workingdogz !!!!!
by SitasMom on 10 January 2012 - 05:01
I wish Schutzhund in America had less political infighting....
Show lines, working lines, WDA, UScA, DVA..... everything is so much more complicated then it needs to be.
Instead of putting each other down, we need to build each other up. We are such a small group of people who are all interested in the promoting the same thing.
We have too few experienced helpers and handlers that will actually help newbie. For the sport, and for the breed, if there was much more true sportsmanship we would all be much better off - especially our dogs.
Show lines, working lines, WDA, UScA, DVA..... everything is so much more complicated then it needs to be.
Instead of putting each other down, we need to build each other up. We are such a small group of people who are all interested in the promoting the same thing.
We have too few experienced helpers and handlers that will actually help newbie. For the sport, and for the breed, if there was much more true sportsmanship we would all be much better off - especially our dogs.
by pepke on 10 January 2012 - 06:01
Good Post SitasMom !!!!
by Bob McKown on 10 January 2012 - 12:01
IPO is fine for a world sport, let the Schutzhund test be a real breeding suitability test with true stressor,s and requirements that highlite a dogs real physical abilities to enhance the breed not a "let every one play test" that we have today.
A dogs true utility should be the basis for it,s breed suitability.
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