Von Hayden Shepherds refuses to send paperwork - Page 9

vet indicated that even if testicles are undescended, he should be able to feel them and he couldnt find them at all.  he encouraged us to try to continue feel for them, too, under the skin around closer to the rear leg area.

 

the 1st trainer felt similarly - that he needs a home with experienced trainer or person who is really into training dogs.  i look at those pix too and see him looking happy and playful (vs how he looks/acts now).  we have had large well behaved dogs all our lives but we are still not professionals. we were looking for a simple family pet.  our break from having dogs was b/c the last one was just one of those once in life time relationships; she was that special to us. 
thank you all again.
 

I really hope you can find a dog suited to you.  I wouldn't discount the breeder as they do have a great track record.  When you have been in business as long as they have you will throw a few bad apples, it is bound to happen now and then.  Just don't use that example as a basis to judge the breeder.

as for the papers issue, I am dealing with something similar, I have been waiting nearly two years on my girls papers......hoping to actually have them in hand this week or next.  after finally establishing successful communication the breeder stated they were on their way.  Just as in the case of your breeder, I have no reason to believe that they won't supply me with papers eventually as I have confirmed that the litter was registered, I do know why there was an initial hold up of 6 months, but beyond that it was just lack of commuication and miscommunication and non responsive attempts at making contact.  I would probably still use the breeder again, but now I know what i am getting in to and I know how to approach the registration issue.  We learn from our mistakes and oversights.

the breeder should take the dog back, and at this point I probably would not want to wait too much longer as the longer you have him the longer it will take to undo any damage that has been done.  I would be curious to follow his progress with the right owner and/or handler though, because he really has a keen look to him and I suspect he will be quite a specimin when he gets older.  Too bad about the testicles, hopefully they are there somewhere.  upon further investigation I did find information that stated that very few cases of undescended testicles are actually genetic, sometimes the tendons get twisted and it prevents them from dropping....so that was good to learn.

Anyway....wish you the best.  Keep us posted as to what happens with the dog.  Will you take a replacement from the breeder?  as I said, I probably wouldn't be quick to discount the breeder, but I tend to be overly optomistic at times.  LOL.

Let me guess socialized to the max,right?

we don't know.   we haven't heard from VH.  our trust in them has been shaken.   i haven't read anything here about anyone have issues with the quality of their dogs.  however they havent been very helpful.  that is why i ended up here. we would prefer to go to a breeder who is nearby where we can spend more time with the dog and it would be easier to get assistance.  if VH is willing to step up and help us to select a suitable puppy; we might be willing to consider it.  VH has other older "socialized trained" dogs but i think i will pass on those.

we got this dog to heal a void in our lives but are coming out of this more heartsore than before. we have started to tell the kids that olex misses his family too much and is going home.  we lucked into all our other dogs and never even bought one before. with small children around this time and no puppy experience, we thought it make more sense to get an older puppy who would have a more established personality.   olex shows flashes of being a great dog sometimes but his natural state with us is anxious and fearful. he has tremendous presence and many folks stop their cars in the middle of the road just to run out and ask about him. i cant help but wonder if we had him as a young puppy.

we dont know anything about picking puppies.  any advice for what would be suitable for family with active young kids?  we will definitely have to research it.

our last VH dog was a white one who came to us a 3 year old; she had been left mostly tied up in someone's garage for 2 years. she was an alpha female and went around the world with tremendous confidence and aloofness.  she was the only dog I ever had who was empathetic; she would pet and comfort us, often when one was having a bad day. she would come up and gently pet and pat us.  both our prior dog and olex have strong prey drive and it is a little scary for both kids and adults to see them chasing down young kids.

abby, we already indicated that we want to give him back, offering to drive him 8 hours, and left messages for VHGS (the breeder) indicating that it is probably hurting the dog but they won't respond.  thx.

mist, she's quite busy on her Facebook page...why not post your request to arrange to return Olex to her there? I'm thinking she just MIGHT respond to that. ;)

they finally got back to us, after we emailed that we will be there sat to return the dog.  they said all the right things and have agreed to take him back. thank you all for advice.