Breeds created out of the German Shepherd Dog - Page 1

Yeah most of them are bred to resemble the wolf but the GSD does kind of look like a wolf slightly. I have a white female who looks just like a wolf only white, a lot of people like the wolf looks.

April, yeah the GSD does resemble the wolf in certain ways and i love the look of all the dogs created out of GSD's the ones bred to look like wolves were normally originally crossed with other wolf looking breeds like the Husky and Malamute.

The only two which have caught my attention as a potential puppy owner is the "American Alsation" and "Tamaskan" the majority of the rest seem to be bred without care for the health of the pups.

Personally i would advise caution when considering the prospect of an American Alsation / Shepalute Pup.

I live in the UK so I have no actual experience with the "breed" or its creator but I have previously heard slightly disturbing things about these dogs.

The American Alsation is not a breed as such as you can only buy these dogs from their creator Lois Schwarz and their development is only fairly recent (1987). Ms Schwars appears to have only a limited knowledge of genetics and i recall  her posting on this database that she leaves all her dogs enclosed together and allows them to mate with whomever they choose - which is apparantly gods way. Though obviously this is her choice I would not class this as a very scientific method of breeding - Particularly when this "breed" is still in development (out-crossing) and has a very limited gene pool.

There also seems to be very little difference in these dogs to other GSD crosses such as Shiloh's and King Shepherds.
I think i should also warn you that very few of the "breeds" listed above are officially classed as such and thus not registrable with major Kennel Clubs. This means you will be paying a high price tag for what is essentially a mixed breed puppy.

I would suggest a great deal of research before buying. Hope this helps. 

My post means no disrespect to any of these new "breeds" mentioned or their owners / breeders. 

Chris.  

Arnies Dad - Trust me am going to wait a good few years and see which direction these dogs go before i even consider having one but am deffintly going to keep my eye on the Tamaskan and hopefully the American Alsation will be bred to a standard with little health issues and i think more breeders need to get involved to ensure a wider gene pool. I have the only one other breeder on facebook and i was told the founder is extreamly careful about who can breed her dogs and who cant (hence why she only allows one other) Am not sure if that can be classed as a good thing or bad thing.

"i recall her posting on this database that she leaves all her dogs enclosed together and allows them to mate with whomever they choose" - Now i'll admit that shocks me because when she is doing "pedigrees" how can she know who the sire? She can have a guess but she cant be 100% if they all just do it naturall without her choosing. Sons/mother matings could be possible in them sort of cases which is bad if they arnt chosing very carefully by a very experienced and knowlegable breeder. Is she trying to destroy her years of "hard" work with such a primitive view on breeding?

 

 

If there are breeders of any of the breeds i have mentioned, could you give me a little information about the breed on here please? Also if their are any oweners of the breeds mentioned could you give me your views and stories about your dog?
 

geordiegaviino -

As i stated above i have no first hand experience with either Ms Schwars or her breed.
This being the case these could all be fantastic dogs - I would as you stated though watch from afar to see how these different breeds develop before owning one.

I find Ms Schwars attitude towards allowing other breeders to be a confusing one. Though as you state this could be her way of protecting her work and ensuring high health standards - Another reason would be to maintain her market niche and protect her trademarked francise. Personally I would think that for her breed to achieve any sort of recognition the gene pool would have to be increased significantly - which would be unattainable when breeding  from simply the one (now two) kennels. I also notice that the "National American Alsation Association website" has only been visited in total 618 times -with at least a few of these visits being myself - So it is very clearly early days, I would also suggest looking at the discussion section of the "breeds" Wikipedia page. 

I would personally class this as a potential breed in development rather than an actual breed - I find it unlikely that breed character would be particularly consistant at this stage. Though I myself am no expert.

With regard toMs Schwars' previous comments on this database I am not particualrly internet savy and quite new to posting on this forum, so i wouldnt know how to re-post her exact quotes  - but im sure a google search would point you in the right direction. I agree this sounds a rather misguided practice, though DNA tests would be able to identify individual parents.  
I do believe deliberate inbreeding has been performed - with lesser puppies from these matings sold at a reduced price. Inbreeding though has been a part of most / if not all modern breeds development.
 
I have very little knowledge of the Tamaskan, but they are clearly very attractive dogs.

Out of interest have you heard of a breed called the "Eurasier". These are medium- large  sized dogs which have been bred soley for compainion purposes - some of these dogs can look very similar to a long coat GSD and they are recognised by both the Kennel Club (UK) and the AKC. Obviously it goes with out saying a that pure GSD would be a fantastic companion.

Anyway best of luck in your search, I have enjoyed talking with you    

"Eurasier" I never heard of the breed till you have just named it. Am looking it up now and i like what am reading and seeing but i have a long time to decide on my  next puppy but no doubt this breed will be going on the list of potentials haha

Pleased to have helped  

 Doberman.. German Shepherd is part of making the doberman along with rottweiler,german pincher,australian shepherd,great dane,black greyhound.etc.. 

The best "Whoops" breedings I've seen of GSD's and another breed were with a Siberian Husky... and another GSD/Akita cross.

The most facinating cross I ever saw was  1/2 blue Great Dane, and 1/2 Rodesian Ridgeback.  He was a dog that you definately looked twice at.  Very handsome, had natural ears, and a truely supurb temperament.