Update Indiana - Question about Saxon - Page 1

Dear Friends, My website now offers an interesting comparison between breeding of showdogs and breeding workingdogs. HD-quotes differ quite substantially. Hope you will visit: bloggen.be/hd I'm still hoping Oli will place a link on his website. My information is free of charge, I pursue NO commercial intention whatsoever. Anyone out there that feels the need to translate some of the stuff, be my guest, don't find enough time right now. Anyone out there who can "summarize" the outcome of Saxon-case? Threads tell different sories. Thank you in advance. CU

http://www.germanshepherdlitters.com/save_our_saxon.htm

nice effort, but your numbers are skewed once again because you are comparing the dams of 50 males and 50 females out of top BSZS rankings, vs 100 of the top dogs at the BSP, which are mostly males. Your should compare the dams of the top 100 BSZS males, vs the dams of the top 100 BSP males of the year 2005. Maybe you can indulge us with such numbers of 2006 later in the year as the results won't be too long now. You state that working lines females will still be young bitches that will still be producing additional pups, like many of the show line females - I have to disagree. There should be far more younger dogs at the BSZS working class as there competing are at the BSP. Most dogs do not make it to the BSP until at least 3 or 4. A 2 year old is the odd one out. At the BSZS 2 year olds are the norm. So naturally working line dams will have produced more pups by the time their 3 or 4 year old has made it their, because they would be older. So maybe another parameter needs to enter the equation, females that are at least 5 years old and have had enough offspring for comparison. More show line pups go into pet homes vs working line pups, hence a larger number of working line pups being a-stamped. That is no secret. You start out with an uneven playing field. I would consider your numbers worth while considering if you were comparing apples with apples and not apples with oranges. The results of 100 dams of the top males from both lines would indeed be an interesting comparison. Or compare the litters out of one years "production" our of these females only. For dams of females, you could compare BSZS females with LGA females, chances are you will hardly get 100 working line females together though... And I'd be more intersted in hearing some new suggestions how to curb the problem. Does not matter to just tell everyone that an intersection is dangerous over and over again, until you come up with a solution how everyone can cross it safely, a solution that can be implemented and will actually prove successful.

Jantie, I went to the site but could not find the information. What is the comparison? Makes no diference we all need to be careful with our breeding practices, just curious.

You just can't give it up, can you?

Sorry DH, but I can't help when people don't read the text as it is written. I'm only comparing "mothers'"-results. So comparing apples with apples. Mothers of GSD-Champions! Whether their pups (the actual champions) are male or female does not matter in the statistics. I splitted the mothers from the BSZ-champions off of the mothers of the BSP-champions, compared what the HD-diagnostics of all of their pups were. 99 mothers of BSZ-champions deliver X pups with hd-n, 99 mothers of BSP-champions deliver X pups with hd-n. Read again and come back. To Alabama: one can either scroll down through the single and entire page, from top to button, or press one of the two buttons of the contents-bar (INHOUD BLOG): "HD-Diagnosen bei der ..." and "Übersicht HD-Diagnosen..." Good luck. Hi Blitzen! What 's wrong with studying the major problem of GSDs?

Can you translate what you're writing in english please Jantie?

Nothing wrong with discussing it, Jantie, as long as you know what you're talking about. How many litters have you bred anyway? Oh, clever changing your subject line by adding "question about Saxon". I guess no one bothered to read it when it only said "Update Indiana".

Thank you Jantie, I will look again I could not figure it out this helps...we all need to look at things all health issues whether hips/stomach/skin problems/temperaments etc. information helps the more I can get the better. It does not matter if you have breed zero or many litters information is good.

Jantie, Are you in Belgium? Do you know my friends Johnny Degens and Vivian?