Clarification: is it adviceable to mate a 14 months male gsd? - Page 1

Gents n ladies of PDB, does it matter to mate a 14 year old male gsd? My bitch's on heat and the best complementary features, large head/bone, tail carriage, over-all size n conformity are endowed on this particular male but we're confused, especially, if breeding with this dog will adversely affect it's growth and physical development. I think, the male to be an "over-sized" show quality import(between 25-27 inches at 14 months) My jugdment about using this male may be bias.

Oh boy, this is going to get bad....

I take it you are NOT a reputable breeder? if you are then surely you would know that at 14 months old a GSD is NOT fully mature. So why are you even consiering breeding your female wiht this immature male dog as the stud?

This would be irresponsible at best. You cannot possibly have any idea of teh overall temperament of the male dog at this age, nor whether he is going to grow any more or not (IME GSDs can continue to grow until about 2-2 1/2 years of age).

To be brutally honest, I don't really understand why you are asking. How old is your female?

Yes my brutal friends, we had discussed about this breeding but an external person needed to answer this so i couldn't appear biased. Not every person on this forum is a breeder and not every dog aspires for the show ring ok. For clarification, the said female's a working dog used as pet/companion but had her first litter just at 2 years old- beautiful huge pups. The male's about 25-27 inches tall n huge, muscular for his age. Some say he could be used, some say "no", then, i came up to the forum. Some claim to be "reputable breeders" but live in a10-storey apartment in manhattan. Internet does not send all d stuff. Answer me politely as if you're replying a novice, so we could lean. Mind you, some breeder breed earlier than expected to checkout progeny. I know of a reputable breeder who breed earlier with a show dog and we see his beautiful pup in this net.

My minimum requirements for mating a male to a female would be:

Hips and elbows certified (obviously not done, as the dog is not yet 2 years old.)
Temperament tested, or able to pass a TT. At the minimum, he woudl have to be gunsure and have no obvious temperament flaws like shyness or aggression towards friendly strangers or other dogs.
Careful research of pedigree to check for any known genetic or physical problems, and to make sure I'm not inbreeding
Male should have at least a Sch1, preferrably a Sch3 to prove that he can work
I should have at least 4 or 5 people lined up who also want puppies from this breeding, so I don't wind up having to send unsold pups to the pound....


but other people have lesser standards, like

1) Is my female in heat, and

2) Is the dog the same breed, and does he have (preferrably) 2 balls?
 



Breeding the male will not harm his physical development in any way, but why would you want to breed her to a male that's oversized, and have her produce oversized pups?

P.S.  In the title of the thread, you said the male was 14 months old. However, in your first sentence you said he was 14 YEARS!  Might want to edit that... 

I think, the male to be an "over-sized" show quality import

That doesn't even make sense.......Over sized.........but show quality?

Thanks folks, we now know better. The bone of contention is now laid to rest.

NDM, you have on this board people who strive to uphold breed standards. They try to stick to the rules set for breeding GSDs, such as a certain age must be obtained, certain health certificates must be obtained, & certain awards or titles must be obtained; all before the animal can be said to be worthy to be bred. In this way the breed is safe guarded from poor examples of the breed being perpetuated.
So to ask if any random male might be OK to use for breeding before any of these tests could be performed, as his young age would have limited what if any of these tests of worthiness could have been performed, is to open yourself to the speculation of the board that you may be an individual trying to breed a low quality animal (over-sized) just for profit, without keeping in mind the golden rule of breeding.....you only breed to better the breed.
Thus the ire of the respondants. Perhaps you have a pair of perfect (except for oversize?) future champions....why not allow him to develop fully & obtain breed-worthiness, & then service the female? The puppies would be as beautiful, & have a higher value, as well.
There are too many puppies of dubious quality out there in the world already. And while you may or may not think of such puppies as cuddly commodities, poor quality pups lead (usually) poor quality lives. Often they are disposed of to pounds, or simply left to starve somewhere.
There it is, I'll say no more. Good luck to you, & to your dogs. jackie harris

WHISKY TANGO FOTXTROT...if you have to ask, you should not even THINK about doing it.