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by jota on 06 August 2011 - 04:08
Hello pals:
I know this is a serious theme. How many people was cheated buying for internet? or how many people sent money and never received anything?
This is the fact with a recent cheat from a "good breeder", Mr. Djuro Ivaskovic from Semper Wictor Kennel.
I saw an add here in database, selling a good son from Homar dei Colli di Uzzano.
When I took contact with him , I asked for photos and videos, he sent to me one video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOfxk4NFDSk&NR=1) saying he was Sokrat, but obviously was another dog (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=681571). After he received my money he didn't ask any mail, and calls neither. At the same time he still was offering Sokrat in this page. I posted an add telling people be careful. For that post many other people wrote to me asking if I already payed for Sokrat. And for that thing was that many other people save his money.
I strongly think we can make something against cheaters. I also think this can be dark for dogs business.
I'm so sorry for what is happening, but I will no stop until cheaters are well known in this little dog world.
Regards to all good people who doesn't live cheating people.
Jota
I know this is a serious theme. How many people was cheated buying for internet? or how many people sent money and never received anything?
This is the fact with a recent cheat from a "good breeder", Mr. Djuro Ivaskovic from Semper Wictor Kennel.
I saw an add here in database, selling a good son from Homar dei Colli di Uzzano.
When I took contact with him , I asked for photos and videos, he sent to me one video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOfxk4NFDSk&NR=1) saying he was Sokrat, but obviously was another dog (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=681571). After he received my money he didn't ask any mail, and calls neither. At the same time he still was offering Sokrat in this page. I posted an add telling people be careful. For that post many other people wrote to me asking if I already payed for Sokrat. And for that thing was that many other people save his money.
I strongly think we can make something against cheaters. I also think this can be dark for dogs business.
I'm so sorry for what is happening, but I will no stop until cheaters are well known in this little dog world.
Regards to all good people who doesn't live cheating people.
Jota
by JerseyJohn on 06 August 2011 - 10:08
Buying ANYTHING sight un-seen is a tricky business. I sent a $500 deposit for a pup that wasn't even born yet, and it all worked out fine. Research the person your doing business with and double check any contact info.
Yes, there is a "dark side" to the Dog world, just as there is in race horses and other endeavors. Whenever $$ is involved it brings greed out in certain lower life forms. This is far from exclusive to the dog trade.
Yes, there is a "dark side" to the Dog world, just as there is in race horses and other endeavors. Whenever $$ is involved it brings greed out in certain lower life forms. This is far from exclusive to the dog trade.

by petoasis on 06 August 2011 - 13:08
I have same experience ,but I did not send him money,I think the dog is too cheap he ask 1,500 euro, we never find a dog in this quality.At last he said he can reduce the price.

by harley on 07 August 2011 - 01:08
i bought 7 dogs online. NEVER HAD 1 problem
except just recently, the dog was for my cousin and they had us wait 7 weeks to tell us they were changing their minds!!!!!!! they didn't like the fact that all of the emails were coming from me and not him.i explained i know the lines,he is trusting me to get him one of the best dogs i could fine.
they are from alaska , have good dogs most bought from the breeder i deal with in czech,so saw no problem since the female(dam) was told to this alaska kennel, we sent a deposit to have the pick litter and then they turn around and tell us they never heard from my cousin as offen as me and thought something was suspicious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CRAZY,
they are now in my eyes a complete puppy mill!!!
have about 70 pups on the ground, and are planning their fall breedings.anyway someone was looking over us because we ended up getting a pup that is to die for. so do your homework. to make someone wait 7 weeks for a pup,get your home ready,and then just change your mind?
they could have checked out how my dogs are treated,
trained,
and references by jinopo(bought 5 dogs from him,)
and i know an owner of a sch.,club
that has one of their dogs!!!!!!
SO LIKE I SAID ALASKA has a PUPPY MILL NOW SO BEWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!50-70 pups on the ground. no income tax up there either so they are claiming nothing!!!!!!!!what a life
except just recently, the dog was for my cousin and they had us wait 7 weeks to tell us they were changing their minds!!!!!!! they didn't like the fact that all of the emails were coming from me and not him.i explained i know the lines,he is trusting me to get him one of the best dogs i could fine.
they are from alaska , have good dogs most bought from the breeder i deal with in czech,so saw no problem since the female(dam) was told to this alaska kennel, we sent a deposit to have the pick litter and then they turn around and tell us they never heard from my cousin as offen as me and thought something was suspicious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CRAZY,
they are now in my eyes a complete puppy mill!!!
have about 70 pups on the ground, and are planning their fall breedings.anyway someone was looking over us because we ended up getting a pup that is to die for. so do your homework. to make someone wait 7 weeks for a pup,get your home ready,and then just change your mind?
they could have checked out how my dogs are treated,
trained,
and references by jinopo(bought 5 dogs from him,)
and i know an owner of a sch.,club
that has one of their dogs!!!!!!
SO LIKE I SAID ALASKA has a PUPPY MILL NOW SO BEWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!50-70 pups on the ground. no income tax up there either so they are claiming nothing!!!!!!!!what a life
by waleed on 07 August 2011 - 04:08
i would not buy of internet i got ripest for 8000 dollar from one of more kwon kennel in Germany
altenberger land
him and his doughtier they are chatter and she is good photo shop expert
i would not recommend any body buying dog with out see the dog in person
altenberger land
him and his doughtier they are chatter and she is good photo shop expert
i would not recommend any body buying dog with out see the dog in person

by petoasis on 08 August 2011 - 12:08



The top and middle one is the Homar son he want to sell,the bottom one is the Sokrat picture in batabase.
by daymont on 08 August 2011 - 17:08
A dog that is on the last picture is SPARTAK SEMPER WICTOR ( full brother of SOKRAT ), located in Bosnia and Herzegovina, in town Mostar, the kennel SAVAROZE.
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=715204
I think that Spartak is not for sale.
http://www.savaroze.com/
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=715204
I think that Spartak is not for sale.
http://www.savaroze.com/
by sjbo659 on 08 August 2011 - 18:08
I live in the Matanuska Valley in Alaska and breed Bouviers but train with german shepherd people. I do not know one GS Breeder around here who has 70 puppies on the ground nor do I know of any puppy mills around here. I take offense that someone who has never been in this area would be making accusations like Harley is about the breeders up here. I wrote you a personal message asking who you were refering to and you did not have the curtosy to reply. My guess is your looking at a reason to complain and as for the puppy you found for your cousin that your already talking about putting down perhaps you need to take him to a different vet. Most of the time I find the problem is more the new owner rather then the breeder. Just my two cents. Also the majority GSH breeders in Alaska are in my area and I see most of the regularly at train classes and shows. Steve
by Zenga on 08 August 2011 - 19:08
Spartak Semper Wictor is my dog and he is in Mostar, Bosnia and Herzegovina in the kennel Savaroze,owner Marijo Soldo !
by Haus of GSD on 08 August 2011 - 23:08
I know of a breeder near Allentown pa. that got 2 dogs from Last Chance Ranch in Pennsylvania. lied about the pedigree and got AKC papers on her. He had 2 litters with this rescue dog told people that she was from top blood line in Poland....
This is the dog.
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=686680
You need to be very careful and do the research. Buyer Beware
This is the dog.
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=686680
You need to be very careful and do the research. Buyer Beware
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