Co-Ownership question - Page 1

If I own a promissing pup and can't take time for titling and campaigning and so I decide to co-own with a trainer. 4 years pass and no titles still, now the trainer wants to buy the dog that he has no initial cash investment in is it fair for him to offer 2500 to buy me out? I think he should pay me the price i would pay to get a SchH3 4 yr old male.

Why are there no titles after 4 years. From just the little info given I would question why a trainer would want to buy a dog that is 4 years old with no titles...unless the dog has great potential and the trainer wants the dog for himself. It would not be the first time a dog owner was told the dog was no good and then it was sold only to go on and be very successful in the dog world/ Shawn

Anthony Armstrong, Part of the CO ownership is that the trainer has to do his part of the deal. Before getting into this Co ownership deal ( I strongly don't recommend this to newbies and beginners) is to make sure that both parties understand of whats to be done with the dog. If the deal is to have the dog trained and titled and showned... then that is what the dog should get in a certain amount of time... Waiting until 4 years is out of the question... I would of taken the dog back A.S.A.P if the dog that i co - owned out hasn't recieved what I wanted.

Have you seen the dog? I would hate to think maybe the dogs dead or something and they're trying to cover it up. I would more likely think he realizes now he can't title the dog with his abilities as a trainer and doesn't wanna admit it. If the dog was 1 or 2 and the offer to buy outright was made then it might be because he realizes it's a super dog. Co-owning a lot of times is a way a crook with no money can take advantage of a newbie and get use of the dog. Something should've been done by now, did you set a deadline for training? If it's not a good dog you may want to go ahead and roll it for the $2500 to him and recover some. Or contact an attorney for damages...

the contract says the trainer will train the dog.with no limit for time to get titles. we did talk about universal siger with this dog and he has been shown in nonworking classes. this is a capable world class male will lots of money invested in health clearances. dog is capable yet the trainer has no time for him.he wants to keep the dog as a pet. I see lots of dogs is this is a 1 in a million.

Take the $2500. and move on to bigger and better things. I bet your life will be better if you move on and close this chapter.

If he wants the dog for a pet, than $2500 and a neuter contract sounds good. . But if you feel the dog has the ability to title, pull the dog from him and get him some exposure with another trainer and get him titled! 4 years is really to long to wait on titles if the dog really has the ability, should have had titles years ago. Good luck.

Anthony, with all due respect, a Univeral Sieger, or any top level prospect is something you aim for after the dog has been out there and proven himself a few times, not from a green untitled dog that has never competed against males in the working dog classes. Though many people hope... Even if you have a dog that seems suitable so many things can still go wrong. If the dog was that good, good enough for a trainer to get excited about, he would have had his titles long ago. Since he does not have his titles yet, that should be your answer to that question. Either dog or trainer were not good enough, or both. For Universal Sieger the dog has to be exceptional in SchH and exceptional in the shows. To get to the top in both arenas takes more than just a good dog though, you also need a driven owner. Or owners. And people that are committed, and people that have a plan. You only had a vague plan, no strategy, no timeline, lots of hope and not enough drive to follow through. So now the bubble has burst and you are dissappointed. Sorry to hear that, but it happens a lot. IMO if that dog really had been that good, the trainer would have profited form it on many levels and would have invested the time. Not show lack of committment and interest. Providing the trainer was in fact as capable as he or you thought. For such ambitious plans you get the dog to the best trainers who know what they are doing and ideally have done it already, or something similar. You take him to the best show handlers, you get out there and push and do. You put in more than just health clearances. Are you in the UK that you needed to invest in the expensive import pet scheme? Or did you just get the DNA and HD certification, which is hardly enough of an owners contribution towards Universal Sieger, or any serious top results... I am not trying to bash you here, just trying to put some of these things into perspective. The road to something like Universal Sieger is long and hard and expensive - campaigning a dog costs money. Fair always depends on the terms previously worked out. Right now it seems fair that you get enough out of the dog to invest in a new pup and start over. Maybe next time you hire the trainers you need on clearly defined terms, pay the trainers for their services and get the dog back to you and into all the events you need in a timely fashion. We offer training, titling, show handling, and a plan if you should ever find yourself needing any of that again. If he is that good the other option is to pay out the trainer for what he has offered you, get the dog into serious hands and get going, but do it now, or else its too late, if its not too late already (at age 4... pretty much too late, but if the dog is as exception as you say, might at least be worth looking at). Send me some info on the dog - pix, ped, previous results and a phone number and I will give you a straight up answer of how far this dog could have gone under ideal conditions, and how far he could still possibly go now. That might help you make a decision about your dogs future.

in the begin my health was poor and I coul not keep the dog myself. not if i wanted a dog to be more than a pet Now it is opposite. the trainer is the one with personal problems, except that he likes the dog and wants to keep him universal seiger is what i mention so you know the quality of the dog. he is well capable of all the training and showing done to date is limited, yet over the last 3 years i have shown him several times, myself, including a seiger show the health clearances are for everythign possible, nt just hips and elbows. he has everything possible and earned all the finest credentials the foundation is lead, bite work is good. he just needs polishing ans someone to take the time to get in there with him.