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by prok9s on 19 July 2006 - 19:07

I would like to hear from anyone that has progeny of this dog. What do you consider to be the negatives and positives of this dog? Who do you consider to be his toughest and best producing son or daughter? Which bloodline does it mix well with and which ones it does not. I am asking these questions because I am seriously considering purchasing a companion male from this bloodline. I try to gain as much knowledge as possible about a dog or particular bloodline before I get involved with the purchase of any dog. I have very limited experience with this bloodline. So, any information is very much appreciated. Thanks in advance. Reed

by LuvCzechDawgz on 19 July 2006 - 19:07

Personally I like the Mink lines. Some of his most notable progeny include Lewis Malatesta, Crok Erlenbusch, Jago Lindenhalle, Iko Lindenhalle and Otis Jacobiner Schloss. You'll get mixed reviews on which son was the best but I prefer Crok and Iko Lidenhalle over some of the others. Although they all produced well. Mink was known as a good hip producer. Typical stuff thru the lines have more than sufficient drives (sometimes hectic). So I guess some may say some of the Mink lines can be borderline hectic or hectic. Not always a bad thing (at least to me) Not so great thing I see sometimes is the infamous ugly heads thru the Mink lines. Sometimes size issues too. Lewis Malatesta was rather LONGGGGGG bodied too.

by prok9s on 20 July 2006 - 04:07

LuvCzechDawgz, Why do you prefer Crok and Iko, what are the traits of these two dogs that makes you prefer them?

by Jason Sidener on 20 July 2006 - 07:07

I have a female that is line bred 2-2 on Otis Jacobiner Schloss (Mink son). I bred her to a Crok Erlenbusch grand son making the puppies line bred 4-4,4 on Mink. Had 1 realy nice male that went to a working home in MO. All pups had good temperment and verying levels of drive. None showed the extreme drives I was hoping to get. Jason www.vonsidener.com

by shinokami on 20 July 2006 - 09:07

I have a Mink 4-4 dog from Crok and Jago, one thing that seems consistent with what other people say is he is handler hard. Compulsion only makes him fight back harder so you have to find ways to make him comply without just jerking him around. He also has that ugly head, he looks like a horse. He has borderline hectic drives which, although they took some time to develop, seem to be inexhaustible. He bites really well and has good nerves.

by Shelley Strohl on 20 July 2006 - 19:07

IMO, a little Mink goes a long way. Yes, they can be handler hard, sharp, aggressive (the males). They can also be butt-ugly. (yes, Lo-on-g) I once met Jago Lindenhalle. This was a great working dog, but I was never tempted to try to pet him or any of the sons his breeder had at the field when I visited... and Dieter cautioned me NOT to do so... Hmmm. Crok was another very hard dog. I guess one's attraction to that line depends on one's own temperament and "presence" as a dominant handler. My size, age and gender, and my awareness/understanding of my own limitations makes me take a closer look at the bloodlines of the dogs I choose to train myself. IOW: The dog Hanrahan or Sammanovich would choose to train for top competition is probably NOT the dog for me... and I have the scars to prove it :(

by 4pack on 09 September 2008 - 20:09

I want to revive this old thread because I am interested in finding some females bred on Mink and Iko Lindenhalle. My male has pretty high thresholds, so am looking for something sharper to breed him to. His levelheadedness will definatly tame that hectic stuff everyone agrees comes with these lines.

by Shelley Strohl on 09 September 2008 - 21:09

You think Lewis was long... check Jago out.

by utzczr on 09 September 2008 - 22:09

This is one subject very near and dear to my heart. I had a Mink son, Utz vom Kassler Kreuz. I thought he was an excellent dog - both for competition and for being a pet in the home. He had an outstanding temperment, good drives, good grips. All in all, for me, he was the perfect dog. He was not handler aggressive in the slightest. He was very affectionate and good with other people, kids, and animals. Yeah, some people thought he was butt ugly, but in my eyes he was really beautiful.

I haven't had any personal experience with other MInk sons. I got a puppy out of Steve MIller's dog, Ben vom Kassler Kreuz, who was out of Crok. He had the most ball drive of any dog I've ever seen or will ever see again. So much that he didn't care for me or anyone else - unless they had a ball. He would come off the sleeve during the middle of a drive if he caught sight of a tennis ball on the ground.

I think Steve's dog, Ben, was really a good dog -working-wise. How he was "personally" I don't know. As I recall,Steve said he had to wear a bitesuit to do obedience with Ben. But on the other side, at one of the nationals when he was bringing his stuff out of the car into the hotel and Ben was running loose with him, I asked if I could pet him, he said, "sure" and I did and Ben was just fine and like any other happy dog.

After one of the WDA nationals, someone wrote an article about the event and mentioned that the 2 highest scoring protection dogs in the trial were both from Kassler Kreuz Kennels - meaning Steve's dog, Ben, and my dog, Utz. What they didn't mention (and perhaps didn't know) was that both Ben and Utz were out of the same female, Francka von der Grafenquelle.... she must have had a good fit with Mink or his sons.

Here's a picture of my "long" Mink son.

by Paul15 on 10 September 2008 - 01:09

I have a 14 month old male with lines back to Mink through Frida Von Digarah to Crok then to Mink. He does have a "funny" head. His mother has a nice masculine head. His father, Jabina Falco also looks long to me. My picture on this site is not a good one. But he is long too. I don't know anything about conformation but his muzzle is extra long, ears not quite big enough and eyes set a little close. So what. I have already been offered 4 times what i have paid for him by a national competitor. He is a hard dog from both sides. He is only happly with a kong in his mouth. Will chase a ball all day. I have found training works best with food and as little compulsion as possible so far.

Looking forward to training him. He is also a big baby who falls down and wants his belly scratched by everyone.

Paul

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